The Delphi Murders: chilling, puzzling and still unsolved. Can this mystery be solved?
On the “favorite mystery” thread, a poster mentioned the Delphi Murders and I looked them up. I fell down into a rabbit hole of podcasts (they are several good ones devoted to this story) and Reddit threads.
The basics: Two teen girls walking on a deserted bridge in Feb 2017 go missing and are found brutally murdered the next day, about 3/4 of a mile from the bridge. Immediately before the abduction, one girl posted a photo of her friend walking on the bridge to Snapchat. Later, the police reveal she also filmed the approach of their killer, as well as recorded him giving the chilling command, “Guys....down the hill.” There is more audio and video, but law enforcement has not released it. Nor have they released the cause of death, but certain horrific details have been leaked. It’s been four years and despite the evidence one of the victims was able to leave, the case has not been solved.
|by Anonymous||reply 439||August 6, 2021 5:21 AM|
Oh Dear, this is so just so close to home!
|by Anonymous||reply 1||February 5, 2021 1:51 PM|
Here you can see and hear the video of the suspect.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||February 5, 2021 1:53 PM|
Have they consulted with the local oracle?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||February 5, 2021 1:56 PM|
You're funny, r3, but the story really is horrifying. I've thought about it repeatedly since it happened.
I thought they had brought in a suspect a few months after the killings who seemed like the likely perp?
|by Anonymous||reply 4||February 5, 2021 2:00 PM|
I remember there was a long thread (or more than one) about this when it happened.
Googled - here is the one I remember:
|by Anonymous||reply 5||February 5, 2021 2:11 PM|
This is one that haunts me. I dearly hope they find the shitbag who did this and that there's a hell waiting for him at the end of the line.
If you haven't listened to The Prosecutors Podcast's four-episode series on this, I highly recommend it.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||February 5, 2021 2:16 PM|
I mentioned it on that thread. I think the creepiest part is the police apparently know who did it but because of the video quality they can't charge to culprit so are just waiting for him to make a mistake. Imagine knowing the killer is in the community, could be someone you speak to everyday and they are just walking about as if nothing happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||February 5, 2021 2:19 PM|
The Monon Trail also passes by the former (now abandoned) estate of Herb Baumeister, who buried some 30+ of his victims on the property.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||February 5, 2021 2:19 PM|
I first read about those girls on DL
|by Anonymous||reply 9||February 5, 2021 2:21 PM|
Here's a good recap of the investigation.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||February 5, 2021 2:26 PM|
Thanks R5 I did search and didn’t find anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||February 5, 2021 2:29 PM|
R8, I had not read about that! Thanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||February 5, 2021 2:29 PM|
Yes, this one horrifies me. “Guys, down the hill.”—-FUCK YOU, MAN! I hope this guy ROTS.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||February 5, 2021 2:31 PM|
R7 Please elaborate! I wondered if they had someone in mind. But why not arrest him, is the DNA chain of custody compromised?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||February 5, 2021 2:31 PM|
R14 During one of the press conferences a couple of years ago, the police stated that they had someone in mind and they were probably watching the press conference at that moment, they went onto say that the culprit would slip up and they had almost certainly told someone something about the murders and that person would come forward eventually. It was a matter of when rather than if they were caught.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||February 5, 2021 2:36 PM|
R13 if ever someone deserved a kick in the cuntbone...send him flying right off that bridge.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||February 5, 2021 2:37 PM|
The local police say the case is still active. They still get tips on the hotline.
I really do hope that he is caught some day - and that his lawyer doesn't get him off on some technicality.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||February 5, 2021 2:37 PM|
There's also differing tales on the recording. Some say that the recording contains much more footage of the killer but the parts with him in it are to graphic and disturbing to show and don't want to upset the families, and others say that what is out there is all they have off the killer but don't want the killer to know that's how little footage they have of him. I used to believe it was the former but as the years have gone on I think it's the latter.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||February 5, 2021 2:42 PM|
The state police must be terrible. They have video, audio, and they should have dna of the killer, yet this case has been unsolved for nearly three years. Are they waiting for a confession?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||February 5, 2021 2:44 PM|
Thanks R15. That PC was odd.
R17 me too.
I guess what bothers me is how calm he sounds on the recording. And I guess not knowing the cause of death and WHY he did this makes it even more disturbing. I mean, not knowing the “how”means any awful thing you think of, if that makes sense.
I have read that he planned to take them somewhere but they broke and ran at some point and he was furious and then killed them quickly but not the way he fantasized (taking them somewhere and keeping them alive for a while first).
I never wanted children and don’t even like them but this case really bothers me. They looked like sweet girls and it pisses me off that now the people there can’t even enjoy those trails.
It’s like Holden Caulfield observed, “people always ruin things.” Those trails at probably really pretty and fun for teens to hang out on (instead of being at home on their phones) but this asshole had to ruin that.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||February 5, 2021 2:47 PM|
R18 I have heard that there is 7 minutes and also 40 minutes. I think you could be right about that being all they have UNLESS everything else is too disturbing (him talking but you can also hear the girls pleading or whatever). Maybe this is the only thing he says without their voices mixed in.
There is part of the video of one of the girl’s reactions that haunts one of the investigators. I’m assuming he means fear on her face as the guy approaches.I cannot imagine having to view images and crime scenes like this and then go home and live normally.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||February 5, 2021 2:51 PM|
The main suspect/killer is probably well-connected, like a local politician's son.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||February 5, 2021 2:53 PM|
R22 I believe he is connected, he's definitely killed before and knew that trail. In terms of the disturbing footage I've heard, it's always hearsay in this case, that the disturbing footage consists of what the killer does to the bodies. The stories vary from one of the girls still alive crying for help while the other lays dead next to her, the killer moving the bodies into disturbing poses or the killer violating one of the girls who was still alive and the body of the first girl that was killed. It's a strange case.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||February 5, 2021 2:58 PM|
But even if he is connected to local police, that wouldn’t stop the FBI from moving in on him, right?
Also....it’s such a small town. If they know who it is, that name would get out. I bet those residents are furious and if they knew the name of a local guy, someone would go for him.
I think it’s more likely someone who knows the area (truck driver? Meat packing plant worker?) but doesn’t live there....
|by Anonymous||reply 24||February 5, 2021 3:21 PM|
R23 That’s awful. I thought that there was no sexual assault? I think he planned to but they ran and he killed them in anger. I’ve read one girl appeared to have been killed quickly, almost as an afterthought, and the other seemed to have been the target of his rage.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||February 5, 2021 3:26 PM|
Alonzo Brooks was murdered in a small town, too (Unsolved Mysteries, Volume 1). Everyone in that town seems to know who had killed him, and where his body had been hidden and stored. No one has ever talked.
As for the FBI, are they even involved? The wikipedia page only mentions the Indiana State Police.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||February 5, 2021 3:26 PM|
R26 the FBI are involved, yeah. Apparently an agent was home visiting family there when it happened and brought the FBI in. Or, more likely, it was the cause of death that got them involved. I agree with the poster who said he’s done this before.
I hadn’t know about the Brooks case but will read about it. I just cannot imagine a community knowing and someone not taking matters into their hands if law enforcement won’t. I mean, look at the guy in the thread about the PA murder-suicide and that was just about snow dumping!
|by Anonymous||reply 27||February 5, 2021 3:30 PM|
R24 I would've thought the same but I read a case last year about a woman who was killed by her boyfriend, I can't remember the full details and I wish I had bookmarked the info, the guy was either in the police or had connections to the police. The boyfriend and his brother were known for importing drugs through their small town, very well connected to the drug suppliers, the girlfriend found out and was killed. The father of the girl made it his mission to prove the boyfriend was the killer, he was a constant thorn in the boyfriends side. One day, months later, the father took his young son out hunting on some land that bordered the land of the boyfriends, the son was looking through the scope of the rifle and noticed something across from them, the father went to look through the scope and was shot and killed. The FBI hadn't been involved there either.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||February 5, 2021 3:32 PM|
R28 that’s horrific. But I don’t think in this case it was someone who knew these girls. Evidently they talk about a creepy guy following them and what should they do about it on the video. If they knew him, they’d be like, “why is Coach Smith here?” or whatever.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||February 5, 2021 3:41 PM|
R29 Sorry, I wasn't getting at that part. I was just trying to state that the FBI don't always get involved in these situations. I mean if they weren't involved in murder and drug smuggling it shows that they pick and choose their cases.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||February 5, 2021 3:48 PM|
R23 I’m not sure the video could include the murders...unless you mean just the audio?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||February 5, 2021 7:45 PM|
I remember when this happened, and thinking that they would have someone in no time. With video, audio etc, I was sure of this and thought the girl who kept her phone going was so smart. I would never have believed then that it would still be going on 4 years later. So incredibly sad. I agree with the OP too, it's horrible that what should be a great place with a great pasttime for kids should be ruined like that.
[quote]Also....it’s such a small town. If they know who it is, that name would get out.
There's a case from the mid 90s in my home state where a woman was stabbed on a beach just outside a small community. They've said for years everyone there knows who did it, but it's never come out. So horrible when this happens.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||February 5, 2021 8:41 PM|
I have been reading true crime stories since I was 12 years old. All that I could get my hands on. Watched true crime shows as well. This one really bothers me in a way others don't. It is haunting. I check online every few months, hoping that sob has been caught. Just my opinion, but I think he has no connection to that town. A truck driver maybe or someone whose job requires travel. I wonder if you had to live in that town to know the area they were at? Would a stranger to the town be aware of it? He will kill again, and has probably killed before. Has there been a profile of him by the FBI?
|by Anonymous||reply 33||February 6, 2021 2:34 AM|
I remember this being national news when it happened. The audio clip and still image of the suspect made it especially stick in my mind. I am somewhat surprised the case hasn't been closed yet what with the footage of the killer—as was mentioned above, though, they may not have a sturdy enough case to "prove" their POI is responsible, even if they know who he is. They've never publicly released information as to what exactly happened to the girls, though one can only assume they were likely sexually assaulted before being killed. Thinking about what their final moments alive were like is truly upsetting.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||February 6, 2021 3:00 AM|
I suspect the same thing R33, but it's not based on anything but a feeling. Just that I assume he was some sort of transient. But then, if he was, was that track common knowledge, or do you think he saw the girls earlier and followed them down? Brrrr.
I agree with the other poster too who says looking at their photos they just look like such nice girls, it really breaks your heart.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||February 6, 2021 3:02 AM|
OP/R21 the thought of there being 40 minutes of audio/video footage is truly gut-wrenching to even imagine. Murder is horrible enough, but there is something about it being recorded and preserved that makes it profoundly more disturbing to me. Any murder cases where there is audio/video of the act chills me to my core for some reason. I too can't imagine having to review footage like that and not having it get seared into your mind. I think I would have nightmares for the rest of my life.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||February 6, 2021 3:08 AM|
I worked with a barrister once who had had to view CP images. He freely admitted he was fucked up for life because of it. He seemed like such a gentle soul most of the time, but could snap angrily really suddenly, and then immediately go back to his gentle self again. Stands to reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||February 6, 2021 3:10 AM|
HLN is airing a 2-night documentary based on the hit podcast, Feb 14 & 15. I hope this revives momentum in the investigation and finally leads to an arrest.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||February 6, 2021 3:19 AM|
I wonder if the killer was law enforcement? A cop? Or someone prominent? That would be the only reason they might drag their feet. Tell you what. If they have someone who is 90% a good candidate for killer, I just have him "suicide."
|by Anonymous||reply 39||February 6, 2021 3:37 AM|
The girls had noticed the pervy guy earlier when they later noticed him following them across the abandoned train trestle. One of them started filming him but stuck her phone in her pocket when he got close so he wouldn't see it. The video image of course turned black but it kept recording audio of their murders, which were evidently horrorific.
This is one of those cases that was fucked up from the beginning due to the total incompetence of local law enforcement.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||February 6, 2021 3:40 AM|
r40, you don't know what they do or don't have......a bit silly to call law enforcement "incompetent" without knowing a damn thing. I don't get armchair detectives who think they're Sherlock Holmes
|by Anonymous||reply 41||February 6, 2021 3:42 AM|
Thank you, (R38).
|by Anonymous||reply 42||February 6, 2021 7:19 PM|
I doubt that recording is 40 minutes, the phone would've died before the 40 minute mark.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||February 6, 2021 7:23 PM|
^. This. Also, highly probable phone got bumped during violence that caused it to stop recording.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||February 6, 2021 10:07 PM|
Didn't he force them to get in water at one point? I went down the Reddit Rabbit hole last night and read that there, but idk if that is accurate. There were some very iffy pics that the person claimed was one one the victims. It was very suspect, imo.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||February 6, 2021 11:12 PM|
R45 I think they crossed at a shallow point? I did read that the bodies were found on the opposite bank to where he forced them down the hill.
Thanks to the poster for the info on the upcoming HLN update.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||February 6, 2021 11:14 PM|
R43 Also, I think the father called at one point and I believe that would stop the camera?
What I don’t get is where was the phone? I’m assuming the killer found out she had it and tried to destroy it and it was found in the water?
|by Anonymous||reply 47||February 6, 2021 11:16 PM|
What horrible details have leaked?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||February 6, 2021 11:17 PM|
Thank you. I do hope the killer is not in or related to LE and being protected. At least the FBI is investigating.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||February 6, 2021 11:18 PM|
(R48) On reddit a women is claiming to have images of one little girl, deceased of course. She claims the images are from a search chopper. However, I do not think she is trustworthy. Of course I may be wrong, but she comes off as shady to me. Google The Delphi murders/reddit/images.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||February 6, 2021 11:22 PM|
The murderer was or is definitely local or at least knew the trail. The walkway they crossed was pretty damaged and he must have had prior experience of walking it, as he crossed it pretty quickly. The timing of the girls recording, their death and the finding of their bodies also meant the killer acted quickly which likely means he had a confidence in surroundings.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||February 6, 2021 11:22 PM|
R48 Well, I went back and read the original thread on this case (which was real time) and one of the posters on their said his father had a friend on the police force in a neighboring town and that friend has been part of the search party. Take with a grain of salt but he said that the younger girl, Abby, was killed quickly but the older girl, Libby, had fought and had much more trauma. Both girls had open caskets but had to wear scarves. Not sure if same poster but another perosn said that the audio after the “down the hill” line was the girls screaming, which chilled me. Not sure why, when the whole thing is grotesque.
I have read on Reddit that the girls were nude or that one was and the other wasn’t. That Abby was posed like a “doll” with her hands folded but not sure what that means. I have read they were sexually assaulted and that they weren’t.
Recording the recording, that it is brief and that it recorded the murders.
The scarves seem like a true report as I’ve seen it over and over.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||February 6, 2021 11:24 PM|
Just seeing how close he was at this point in video and how the girls knew he was trouble, the thoughts going through their head at that time... really fucking awful.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||February 6, 2021 11:25 PM|
R50 I saw those images but can’t make them out. They seem to show a person leaning against a tree? On Reddit they speculate it’s Abby, but i thought she was supposed to have been laying down.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||February 6, 2021 11:26 PM|
More info on reddit: The killer appears to be an avid outdoorsman. A fishing kit of some kind can be seen on his person, as well as a gun. The girls were stabbed, right? Again, this is all from the same person described above, but you can see the outline on his clothing, imo. That does ring true. (R52)- I totally agree that he knows the area very well and lives there. I had doubts before but no longer after learning more about that terrain.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||February 6, 2021 11:27 PM|
I thought she was too, OP, but in that image she is in a sitting position against a tree. This is why I question that persons credibility.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||February 6, 2021 11:32 PM|
Does anyone have a link to the image, I've searched but not been able to find it.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||February 6, 2021 11:32 PM|
R57 I think they’re on a thread in the Libby and Abby Reddit sub. Can we link to Reddit on here?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||February 6, 2021 11:44 PM|
I have not been able to post a link for 2 days or I would be happy to. Very sorry.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||February 6, 2021 11:46 PM|
R58 Yeah, you should be able to.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||February 6, 2021 11:47 PM|
I've never understood why the girls didn't call 911. I've investigated this case quite a bit. Libby was posting to Snapchat, so they had a good signal.
There is a new sketch of BG in which he looks much younger. I'm wondering if they were lead there to meet a guy they'd been in contact with online, but all did not go as planned.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||February 6, 2021 11:54 PM|
One of the things I found strange was the then DA saying the crime scene was "odd" and that there were three signatures. Unless there was something incredibly bizarre about the crime scene, how do you determine something is a signature unless you're comparing it to another crime scene where the same things were seen?
The only thing I can think of is that he was comparing body to body — three unusual things done to/with each body.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||February 6, 2021 11:57 PM|
R61 They probably thought it was just some creep following them and didn't need the police.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||February 6, 2021 11:58 PM|
Am looking for the photos and came across this. Wow! This goes along with the theory they know who it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||February 7, 2021 12:06 AM|
[quote]The only thing I can think of is that he was comparing body to body — three unusual things done to/with each body.
Rudely quoting myself here because I forgot to add that it doesn't really fit with what we've heard about one of the girls being the subject of his interest while the other seemed to have just been eliminated. Whatever the case, his interview raised so many questions in my mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||February 7, 2021 12:07 AM|
Oh wait, that’s one of those girls’ grandfather at R64. Never mind. I don’t believe it was family.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||February 7, 2021 12:08 AM|
This case haunts me. And yes, their deaths were violent. One girl in particular took the brunt of the attack. There have been texts on Reddit for years now. I believe it was from a first responder.
This guy WILL get caught someday.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||February 7, 2021 12:11 AM|
R67 You have to wonder what that one girl did to "deserve" that brunt of the attack? Did she fight back, did the killer see something about her that didn't like? Did she remind him of someone or maybe he had a connection to that girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||February 7, 2021 12:13 AM|
In that tread it said that the girls had spotted him earlier and he creeped them out. Their intuition , I believe. That is a great point about calling 911. If only. It is very difficult to study this case. I have to read a little and then back off for awhile. Too heartbreaking.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||February 7, 2021 12:20 AM|
R68 my assumption would be that it was as simple as she fought him more. I am presuming the girl who had more physical trauma was Libby, since she was older and bigger than Abigail, and thus probably more likely to put up a fight or try to cause a scene. I am assuming the killer was able to force the girls off the path and "down the hill" by either brandishing a gun or pretending he had a gun in his pocket. I doubt that they were shot to death, though, given that these trails are frequented by pedestrians/hikers fairly regularly, and are adjacent to the main town. Audible gunshots would have potentially drawn attention.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||February 7, 2021 12:23 AM|
You're welcome R42 and correction: BOTH parts are airing starting at 9pm, EST on Sat., Feb 15 (not the 14th & 15th). I discovered this whilst setting my PVR. Until then, I continue to binge the podcast "Down the Hill".
|by Anonymous||reply 71||February 7, 2021 12:40 AM|
1. Stay away from places like this. 2. Why didn't the killer didn't take the phone?
|by Anonymous||reply 72||February 7, 2021 12:54 AM|
The bodies were found on someone's property, weren't they? I'm sure I read that somewhere.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||February 7, 2021 12:59 AM|
I used to regularly take my family dog out for a walk in a wooded area near my house when I was a teen, it wasn't a popular area but every so often I'd cross paths with someone and even as a well built teenage guy with a german shepherd I felt vulnerable, so I can only imagine how those girls must have felt in their final moments.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||February 7, 2021 1:03 AM|
R42 Feb 15 is a Monday, not Saturday, apologies (again).
|by Anonymous||reply 75||February 7, 2021 1:23 AM|
( R42) I think she hid the phone in her pocket. Such a smart little girl. So very tragic. God, they have to catch this piece of human garbage!
|by Anonymous||reply 76||February 7, 2021 1:28 AM|
R73, they were found at the edge of a privately owned 40-acre lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||February 7, 2021 1:30 AM|
Thanks R77. This whole story gives me chills.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||February 7, 2021 1:32 AM|
Where there no cameras around that area at the time?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||February 7, 2021 1:34 AM|
R68- Yes. Apparently Libby fought back and he nearly beheaded her... It was apparently not a sexually motivated crime and neither girl was raped...
Such a mystery, this crime. I suspect that they do know who it is.. It's crazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||February 7, 2021 2:03 AM|
One theory that keeps floating around, on discussion threads: Libby's dad is a known druggie. Some people think he owed a drug debt, and Libby was killed as a message to him. Abby was collateral damage. This case haunts me. I hope that it is solved, and BG is punished.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||February 7, 2021 3:39 AM|
Also, this trail has spotty cell tower reception. There were no trail cams, at the time of the murders.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||February 7, 2021 3:42 AM|
Why were they killed if not for sex? That can’t be common.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||February 7, 2021 5:58 AM|
There had to have been a sexual component, whether they were sexually assaulted or not. Doug Carter read a few things during the press conference that seemed to come straight from a profiler, designed fuck with the killer's mind. Most notably: "The way you left them in those woods is not — IS NOT — what they're experiencing today"
That suggests posing or staging the scene for later masturbatory purposes. He wasn't speaking extemporaneously; he read it from notes. What purpose would that serve if not to intentionally apply psychological pressure, via the destruction of his fantasy, which might lead to a slip-up?
I wish I could remember who said it and where I heard it, but there was an interview with someone who had worked on the case and he mentioned how badly affected people he worked with had been by what they saw at the crime scene. When you start patching together all of the little snippets, it seems like something very freaky was done with bodies.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||February 7, 2021 6:52 AM|
The first thing found was the girls clothing so it's likely they were sexually assaulted.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||February 7, 2021 7:48 AM|
I live in Indiana and LE mentioned at one time the girls were controlled by the man’s dogs and the bodies had bite marks.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||February 7, 2021 8:58 AM|
I knew nothing about the case until today, but when I heard the man say “Guys, down the hill” it seemed like he was signalling other people via some Bluetooth handsfree set.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||February 7, 2021 10:49 AM|
I listened to it years ago and I just listened to it again. I know it's just a couple of words, but it fucking chills me to the bone. Those poor, poor girls.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||February 7, 2021 10:52 AM|
[quote]Recording the recording, that it is brief and that it recorded the murders.
I'm not sure that's true, when the obituaries were published, one girl's date of death was the day after the other girl's, indicating that they must have known one died before midnight and one after, some time apart.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||February 7, 2021 10:52 AM|
What happened to the girls doesn't have to have been "freaky" to upset people, just finding them partly clothed or nude and dead, possibly posed, would be bad enough.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||February 7, 2021 10:54 AM|
r64, explain. The vague talk and all the initials instead of full names doesn't help most of us who clicked on that link. Who is looking at who, and why do they think the person being looked at is the killer?
|by Anonymous||reply 91||February 7, 2021 10:59 AM|
That girl was incredibly smart to get it recorded. I thought they had a suspect. At least this case isn’t 30 years old like some others and they solve it. I hope the bastard didn’t just die from covid, getting away with murder. I can’t imagine being a parent and not knowing when your child is or what your child’s last moments were like. That recording must haunt them.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||February 7, 2021 12:18 PM|
I think this thread has a link to the helicopter photos.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||February 7, 2021 1:49 PM|
Sorry R91 posted it before I read through. It’s some lone poster who think one of the grandfathers or both of them did it. I don’t buy it at all.
Yeah, on Reddit you see a lot of initials with explanation.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||February 7, 2021 1:57 PM|
Thanks R94, and also R93 for the link.
The photos at the link found in R93's thread aren't useful at all, but the info about the two white Dodge Darts is pretty interesting. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they were the same car and someone changed the plates during the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||February 7, 2021 2:17 PM|
[quote] I thought she was too, OP, but in that image she is in a sitting position against a tree. This is why I question that persons credibility.
I question the credibility because the "graphics editor" is wearing Lee press-on nails while pointing to something in those grainy pictures.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||February 7, 2021 2:59 PM|
Cell phone signal is bad there that’s why they were unable to call for help. It is also not known if the killer left the phone there or not. The cops could have taken the images and recording from the cloud
|by Anonymous||reply 97||February 7, 2021 3:01 PM|
R96 I thought the SAME thing and then felt guilty for it! I thought well, maybe most women have nails like that and I’ve just never noticed. Lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||February 7, 2021 6:49 PM|
R97 I think the images and audio were from the cloud. Not sure where the phone was found or if the guy knew a recording had been made.
I still think he meant to abduct them but they messed up his plans by running and he had to recapture them. That’s why they were killed in such a brutal way. He had been planning to take them somewhere to abuse sexually and torture over a day or more.
I can’t wait for this guy to get caught. I hope the fear of being caught is with him every day.
Years ago I saw this brutal movie called Short Eyes, about what happens in jail to a guy who raped and killed a young girl. Evidently even prisoners loathe child rapists/killers and they are (or were) called “short eyes.” The killer deserves his fate and more.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||February 7, 2021 6:54 PM|
HLN is doing a 2 part series on the Delphi girls on Feb 14 and 15
|by Anonymous||reply 100||February 7, 2021 7:03 PM|
R89- How long until the girls were found? The reason I ask is that the murderer may have been interrupted before he could sexually assault them? Several serial killers would return to the decomposing bodies of their victims. Ted Bundy even applied make-up and nail polish to the bodies, and also had sex with the bodies. Sick, sick, sick.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||February 11, 2021 3:11 PM|
R81 might hold the clue. If sexual assault wasn't the motive, the motive must have been something else we're not aware of - such as a payback for a parent's debt. The enforcer would come in, commit the crime, cover it up with the second child's murder, and leave the area. R81's theory makes sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||February 12, 2021 4:34 PM|
Payback? The guy was a stranger to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||February 12, 2021 5:14 PM|
R62- Do you think he was "speaking code" to the killer? To make him nervous, paranoid that detective knows something about him or who he is?
|by Anonymous||reply 104||February 12, 2021 5:42 PM|
The girls were found before noon the following day.
Evidently the sheriff is going to answer submitted questions.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||February 12, 2021 6:47 PM|
Thank you ,R105.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||February 12, 2021 7:17 PM|
Is anyone here going to ask him a question? Anyone remember the Gainesville Ripper? He posed bodies in a horrifying way. He decapitated one poor girl and posed her head on a mantle as if her head was looking down at her body. This killer sounds like he has a remarkably similar MO. He died on the electric chair. Too bad this pos hasn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||February 12, 2021 7:33 PM|
R107 That is revolting. I hadn’t read about that case.
I only found about the questions after the noon deadline but not sure what I would ask. I’m new to the case and I’m sure anything I can think of someone has already asked..
Also, they haven’t really answered questions in the past, why now?
|by Anonymous||reply 108||February 12, 2021 8:17 PM|
In the drone pic it looked as if one body was posed with her shirt over her head and an object lying between her legs.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||February 12, 2021 8:23 PM|
[quote] Payback? The guy was a stranger to them.
How do we know that’s absolutely true?
For the sake of argument, let’s say they didn’t know him. That doesn’t mean he didn’t know their parents or someone close to them... someone he may have wanted to pay back.
I don’t feel strongly one way or the other, but I don’t think it’s a certainty that they or someone close to them didn’t know him.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||February 12, 2021 8:36 PM|
Then why haven't they identified him? I don't think the cops have a clue who this guy is.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||February 12, 2021 8:39 PM|
R109 but what could the object be?!
|by Anonymous||reply 112||February 12, 2021 8:41 PM|
Maybe a tree branch. I hope I'm just seeing things and nothing that horrific happened to the girls.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||February 12, 2021 8:48 PM|
He is a serial killer. One thing I believe is that he targeted only one of the girls. Just like serial killers of women, they have a "type" . Same build, coloring, age of victims. One girl was just in the wrong place, wrong time. He targeted only one of them, imo. Again, jmo. He may have been interupted before he could finish whatever he had planned or felt in danger of getting caught out. We can only guess. But he could have absolutely targeted both, as did Ted Bundy at Lake Sammish. (Sic?)
|by Anonymous||reply 114||February 12, 2021 8:50 PM|
Some people think it could be the same guy who killed Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins. The crimes are very similiar.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||February 12, 2021 8:52 PM|
R113 I have read that a tree branch was inserted into Abby’s abdomen, but not sure how (as in pressed into her stomach or inserted into her vagina). God, that is so awful. I saw the helicopter photos but it didn’t look like anything to me.
I’ve also read her body was still warm when they found her the next day....It’s so awful to think maybe she could have been saved had she been found the day/night before.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||February 12, 2021 9:14 PM|
They need to come up with, or utilize, cellphone GPS-tracking by wireless carriers. Run a report showing which phone #'s were pinging in a specific area at a specific time and solved a bunch of cases like this. Save a ton of time and money on investigations, get criminals in jail or in electric chairs.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||February 12, 2021 9:19 PM|
Where was Brenda Dickson? She may have been in costume and said “down the hill”.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||February 12, 2021 9:41 PM|
[quote] Where was Brenda Dickson?
I’m guessing Gelsons or The Abbey with her twink coke whores.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||February 12, 2021 9:42 PM|
Crying into her potato salad over the stolen election. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡😭😭😭😭😭😭
|by Anonymous||reply 120||February 12, 2021 9:57 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 121||February 12, 2021 10:02 PM|
It was probably the county sheriff's nephew.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||February 12, 2021 10:11 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 123||February 12, 2021 10:11 PM|
Did anyone see the picture of a man with a standing next to a vehicle that matched a witness report? That could be a big lead.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||February 12, 2021 10:20 PM|
Local reports on the tv today reminded us that tomorrow is the 4th anniversary of the murder.
No new suspects - nothing to report.
The families sponsored a food drive for charity in the girls' names.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||February 12, 2021 10:52 PM|
Well, helowe! Well come, too, my hill.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||February 13, 2021 12:13 AM|
R110 I think that's the point. The killer may have been an 'enforcer' for someone to whom a parent owed a debt. A poster upstream mentioned one of the girls' parent might have been in drug or gambling debt. The killer would have no tie to either girl except that they were the target of his boss. Making it look like a random murder / sex / pedophile crime would make sense to muddy their motive. The other girl just got caught in the cross hairs.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||February 13, 2021 1:23 AM|
I don't think enforcers usually kill children.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||February 13, 2021 1:41 AM|
You've seen too many movies. Real drug dealers don't go around killing children and staging crime scenes. If they did they wouldn't be in business long.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||February 13, 2021 1:44 AM|
Only foreign factions do that!
|by Anonymous||reply 130||February 13, 2021 1:48 AM|
R128 and R129 This is why the crime won't be solved. Investigators need to think outside of what "real drug dealers do" or "real people do" - there is no REALITY to a crime like this.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||February 13, 2021 2:06 AM|
For instance, the Harvard professor who keeps insisting aliens visited earth could be feeling guilty that he covered up for the alien-murderers and providing us with subtle hints that they are actually guilty. Someone should do a podcast on him and investigate this theory. No stone should be left underturned!
|by Anonymous||reply 132||February 13, 2021 2:14 AM|
R127 I guess that’s more comforting than just a random killer...
|by Anonymous||reply 133||February 13, 2021 2:27 AM|
R83 cops are not releasing those details. As far as I've heard. They're keeping a lot from press.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||February 14, 2021 4:44 AM|
Four years. Will this ever be solved?
|by Anonymous||reply 135||February 15, 2021 3:55 AM|
Hell, there have been cases solved after 40 or 50 years.....so why not 4 years?
|by Anonymous||reply 136||February 15, 2021 3:58 AM|
I really hope so. I really want this guy to pay. This case got under my skin.
Not knowing the cause of death makes it worse because any terrible thing you can imagine could be true...
|by Anonymous||reply 137||February 15, 2021 4:02 AM|
Did anyone watch the HSN special tonight? While interesting, I found it almost unwatchable due to the poor sound editing. The music was so loud it overpower the interviews and narratives. I finally turned on my CC and muted the tv.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||February 15, 2021 5:18 AM|
I’m watching now and r138 is right. They have loud piano music drowning out the grandmother right now.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||February 15, 2021 5:30 AM|
The special on HLN was very disappointing. An absurd amount of commercials and no new info. Just something thrown together to keep the case alive and in the public eye.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||February 15, 2021 6:12 AM|
This site has some info all together.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||February 15, 2021 6:29 AM|
I thought I had accidentally hit the wrong setting on my surround sound tuner because the music was blaring and I couldn't hear the people speaking.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||February 15, 2021 5:36 PM|
I just finished part II. The sound editing was much better. My two cents:
In Part I, after the initial sketch of the Bridge Man was first shared with the audience, the next image/picture/scene was a close up of the sheriff who looked strikingly similar to the sketched image of the suspect. I actually rewatched the transition multiple times.
In Part II, the sheriff stated he had been reported as a suspect at least 3 times and had been questioned. This validated my opinion of the striking resemblance.
Later in Part II, they show video footage of a press conference held with the sheriff positioned behind the officer leading the conference. The sheriff’s face was extremely flushed and became became beat red by the end of the briefing. The sheriff also had notable body language that could be interpreted as guilt or fear. He looked away during poignant moments and gulped at one point. It was emphasized that the police department felt like the perpetrator was present at the briefing.
The sheriff is also shaped like the man in the photos and videos. He would also carry himself with confidence and know the lay of the land. I’d love to have seen the sheriff photographed in the same position as the man in the photograph on the bridge and see if the images aligned.
I’m sure I sound kooky, but ithese details were so obvious and couldn’t be ignored. Surely I’m not the only one who made these observations.
Anyone here have additional details on the sheriff or have more knowledge with this case?
If the sheriff is indeed innocent, this documentary didn’t do him any favors.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||February 16, 2021 4:22 AM|
R143, I don’t have HLN. On the show, did they say the sheriff was a suspect? I found it odd to address two young girls as “guys.” Also, the man in the video did seem confident in directing two strangers “down the hill.” Someone in law enforcement would have had practice in directing people on what todo, where to go.
There are also sketches of the possible perp’s face. Eyewitnesses had seen a man in the area.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||February 16, 2021 5:31 AM|
R144, they documentary indicated that many were “investigated” and “interviewed”. The sheriff himself stated that “even he was reported by at least three people” (he didn’t know who) and was therefore questioned/interviewed. Kind of odd that he’d include the detail that he didn’t know who would have called in a tip about him.
“Guys” is used by midwesterners to address both sexes. Not uncommon at all. It was noted that the new recording with the additional of “guys” may have been spliced - iow, it may not have been part of the order to go down the hill, but part of a later utterance. The police department took the liberty of connecting the spoken speech in the recording.
I wish someone with money or connections would help these families hire a private investigator or lawyer to access additional details on the case. If the perpetrator is indeed in law enforcement, there’s incentive for a major cover up.
Surely the sheriff’s behavior at the briefing alone raised concern.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||February 16, 2021 5:49 AM|
Crossing the bridge was not permitted and signs were posted. Anyone could have easily convinced the young girls that they weren’t allowed to be on the bridge and must return by a different route, then guiding them down the hill to an alternative route to the trail head.
If ithe Bridge Man was someone in law enforcement, the girls may have initially trusted him and acted with compliance if he showed his badge. It wasn’t until he had the girls down the hill that he revealed his motives.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||February 16, 2021 6:00 AM|
That bridge was really scary-looking, having no side rails.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||February 16, 2021 6:21 AM|
"... as well as recorded him giving the chilling command, “Guys....down the hill.”
This is the fatal flaw. Never help someone take you somewhere ("I'll do anything you want just please don't hurt me") or let them tie you up- even if they have a gun or knife pointed at you. There's a reason they want to move you to another area. You will lose all power.
Don't help them at all. They're probably going to kill you anyway. Say, "Drag me". Scream. If nothing else claw their skin and get their DNA under your fingernails (it's probably on file somewhere already).
If they make you drive them somewhere plow right into another car, or something in a high traffic area like a parked car, telephone pole or even a crowd.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||February 16, 2021 6:36 AM|
R143 That is fascinating about the sheriff. I hasn’t known about the tips on him but a week or so I was watching one of the briefings (this one appeared to be held in the woods) and he was standing behind Carter. I couldn’t help but be drawn but the sheriff’s face/expressions and it did occur to me that he resembled the Bridge Guy. I wonder who called him as a tip and why?
The “guys” and “down the hill” are in order, according to one of the parents/grandparents who listened to the recording and were interviewed on a podcast. To me, it sounds like he approached them, got their attention with “Guys?” and then showed a gun. If you look at the photo, there does seem to be the outline of a gun in the right pocket of the jacket and his hands are in his pockets. Would a law enforcement officer carry a gun that way? I think an officer would have a holster, even a hidden one.
Also, if you listen closely to the recording, it sounds like you hear the “Guys” and then one of the girls yelling something. To me, it sounds like “oh my God!” And then “Down the hill.” Others have heard “He’s got a gun!” or “I said NO!”
|by Anonymous||reply 149||February 16, 2021 1:25 PM|
Just for the sake of argument...is it possible as someone mentioned upthread that it could possibly have been someone they met online that they were meeting up with to hang out? Like someone claiming to be a 13 yr old boy online and then a man shows up?? It just seems odd for a serial killer to strike in the remote area hoping a couple of teenage girls stroll by. That might also explain why they would keep some of the recordings from the public.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||February 16, 2021 4:47 PM|
R150 I think they’ve ruled that out. Trying to recall which podcast, but it was raised with either a family remember it law enforcement.
Also, I think it was unlikely an online correspondent because couldn’t he be traced?
I suspect (just my opinion) that this guy was familiar with the area but not a local and had been scoping out this trail for a target for a while. It seems he came prepared with a weapon.
There is a large meat plant in the area. I’m thinking he worked for it or drive a truck which made pick ups or drops off for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||February 16, 2021 6:59 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 152||February 16, 2021 7:06 PM|
People hearing things on that tape?
|by Anonymous||reply 153||February 16, 2021 7:13 PM|
R153 The recording Liberty German made, yeah.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||February 16, 2021 9:31 PM|
Not sure if credible but...
|by Anonymous||reply 155||February 17, 2021 6:59 PM|
New leaked info.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||February 22, 2021 6:35 PM|
People are already calling it out as bullshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||February 22, 2021 6:38 PM|
Yeah..:I wondered because it sounds like from her posts that he fooled them into thinking he was law enforcement. It just doesn’t sound right. I believe that he threatened them with a gun not with arrest.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||February 22, 2021 6:44 PM|
Also, the “she was hit in the head and never felt it” sounds like wish fulfillment. I guess this was someone just trying to get off on feeling powerful answering questions.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||February 22, 2021 6:46 PM|
Why doesn't this redditer just say what it is in summary? I couldn't read the replies to that post so maybe s/he did in later posts.
I cannot see someone closely involved in the investigation or to law enforcement revealing info that could in any way jeopardize the case. They are withholding info for a reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||February 22, 2021 6:52 PM|
This is one of the cases I try to follow pretty often, and when it happened… I never thought we'd be this far along with no leads and no new information. I am praying they catch this guy in my lifetime
|by Anonymous||reply 161||February 22, 2021 6:56 PM|
They do say it..a couple of them summarize it. What is interesting is that evidently the Facebook poster used a dummy account posing as a woman to answer the questions and then slipped up and used his real account to answer one question. Someone on the Reddit thread posted an image.
I wish they’d nail this guy. I think justice would be to lock him in a room with some of the townspeople and let them at him.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||February 22, 2021 6:56 PM|
I always roll my eyes at the 'owed money to drug dealers' theory. As someone who has known drug dealers, there are no owsies in that world. You have all of the money at the point of sale. You might even have to pay before the delivery but never after. And even if it was payback for something drug related, it would be a clean execution.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||February 22, 2021 8:04 PM|
These girls owed drug miney? LOL! Oh maybe their dads? They threaten you, they don't go jump start to killing two people.
Sometimes you may find a user who owes but that's not often and it would be small amounts. The people who end up owing are typically dealers down the chain to the suppliers. That can happen and then it's usually a big sum. But still killing two teenage girls who decided at the last minute to take an unadvertised hike? Get serious.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||February 22, 2021 8:30 PM|
I thought it was Paul Etter?
|by Anonymous||reply 165||February 22, 2021 8:44 PM|
They withheld too much info and ended up with thousands of fruitless leads. If they'd released more info to begin with, the guy might be in prison by now. The second sketch is extremely amateurish compared to the first, but essentially, the guy has a bulbous nose and thin lips. I don't think he was less than 30. I feel like the girls would have maybe tried to flirt or talk to a younger guy. The voice is that of a man at least 50 yrs old.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||February 22, 2021 10:49 PM|
That Reddit thread I posted is really heating up.
Agree that he sounds over 30 at least.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||February 22, 2021 11:15 PM|
Click on the photo in the OP
|by Anonymous||reply 168||February 26, 2021 6:33 AM|
The woman hasn’t posted back in 5 days I wonder if she’s ok and if she was telling the truth!
|by Anonymous||reply 169||February 26, 2021 8:42 AM|
That thread was very interesting. It's almost 4am and I am checking out her FB friends. I do hope she's ok as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||February 26, 2021 8:54 AM|
Oh, Lord. It's her brother Mike!
|by Anonymous||reply 171||February 26, 2021 9:01 AM|
I found the Facebook page for KS. He’s a little bit too skinny to look like bridge guy but I can kind of see it. I think this is the other murder she was talking about
|by Anonymous||reply 172||February 26, 2021 9:23 AM|
I can’t go back to sleep now I need to know what happened to that girl on Facebook!
|by Anonymous||reply 173||February 26, 2021 11:02 AM|
R168 ugh, I can’t see what’s at that Facebook page. I guess I need to create an account.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||February 26, 2021 11:25 AM|
R171...that was my first thought when I checked her facebook page...he's really into kids...missing kids
|by Anonymous||reply 175||February 26, 2021 6:47 PM|
Guys, the leaker, “Leigh Kerr,” will answer questions in an AM(almost)A tomorrow (Sunday) at 6:00pm EST.
Maybe they are close to getting this creep.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||February 27, 2021 10:03 PM|
The girl on Facebook who posted that she knew the killer and the details and name of the killer has deleted the comments. I hope she’s ok and the police is looking into it
|by Anonymous||reply 177||February 27, 2021 10:20 PM|
I haven't really followed this case, but I figured the a-hole murderer probably put one girl's face in the exposed crotch of the other girl. I hope they arrest him, such senseless loss of life.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||February 27, 2021 10:21 PM|
R178 He really needs to be pushed into an active volcano. A grease fire is too good for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||February 27, 2021 10:30 PM|
The bridge kid looks like this could be his dad.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||February 27, 2021 10:30 PM|
R180 who is that?
|by Anonymous||reply 181||February 27, 2021 10:32 PM|
Have they interviewed Pastor Davey? Does he have a solid alibi?
|by Anonymous||reply 182||February 27, 2021 10:32 PM|
Forgive me if someone already said this: if the girls knew the killer they would have said his name and it would have been recorded by her phone during the attack. "Bobby, what are you doing!" That sort of thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||February 27, 2021 11:14 PM|
Agree R183. They were also on the recording talking about him and not as though he knew him.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||February 27, 2021 11:19 PM|
[bold]He doesn't have to be from the area.[/bold]
I thought the killer was from their small town, and, for some reason, the locals were shielding him. I was recently educated on this point by someone who knows more about True Crime than I do.
In the 1970s-1980s, there was a serial killer in Connecticut, never caught. One of his victims was a female bird watcher on an obscure trail of a nature reserve leading to speculation that the killer knew the specific area and lived/worked nearby. A witness came forward and described a car parked in a small lot near one of the trail exits for a few hours on the day of the murder.
As reconstructed by the investigators, the Connecticut murderer identified the trail and discovered the obscure parking lot. He sat there and waited for his target victim to enter the path when it was empty. (Midday/midweek). The victim was found a few 100 yards from the lot. The police later identified his car in other snatch-and-grab kills of opportunity.
The man in the video doesn't need to be from the area. He just needs to know when the trail exists, when it is empty, and that two women entered alone. If they had met up with more people, he would have aborted.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||February 27, 2021 11:34 PM|
R185 I agree. He could know the area and not be from there. I suspect he was there on a few occasions looking for the right moment and a victim.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||February 27, 2021 11:36 PM|
R183, I agree. I think it was a stranger.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||February 28, 2021 12:43 AM|
Those reddit links are all over the place. The "leaker" is a phony and the sub-reddit moderator is a fool.
The semiliterate woman who posted on the sheriff's page saying her ex bf is the killer is probably just another bad lead, hence why her posts were deleted.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||February 28, 2021 2:38 PM|
R188 Maybe but I suspect this Leigh Kerr is the real deal.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||February 28, 2021 3:28 PM|
Is Leigh Kerr a guy posing as a woman?
|by Anonymous||reply 190||February 28, 2021 4:18 PM|
“Leigh” is both a male and female name, so no, he’s not posing as a woman. The name means “leaker.”
That said, the writing style to me reads as a man in either law enforcement or law. Articulate in the use of terms of art through practice.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||February 28, 2021 4:31 PM|
But the Facebook is a girl—so you believe it’s a male?
|by Anonymous||reply 192||February 28, 2021 4:33 PM|
Cases like this are why I dont want to grt rid of the death penalty. This perp needs to be caught and fried
|by Anonymous||reply 193||February 28, 2021 4:44 PM|
The people who are obsessed with this case (perhaps not ALL of you here on DL) remind me of those nuts in the Hotel Cecil Elisa Lam documentary...
|by Anonymous||reply 194||February 28, 2021 5:40 PM|
r193, so we should only execute the ones who personally piss you off? Thanks for proving why we should NOT have the death penalty
r194, the difference is that Lam wasn't even murdered, while these girls clearly were
|by Anonymous||reply 195||February 28, 2021 6:14 PM|
R192 My understanding is the Facebook page had a photo of an amateur singer as the profile photo.
R194 I’ll admit, I’ve never been so intrigued by true crime, but this one really got under my skin. I guess it’s because it happened in broad daylight, out in the open. As a kid, I played in places like that without a thought. Not sure this guy would have tried to grab a couple of young boys, but who knows?
Also the video and audio are horrifying. That inexorable redneck fuck lumbering towards the camera in his stupid fucking dad jeans..and the casual way he orders them down the hill...I just feel for those girls.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||February 28, 2021 6:23 PM|
I suspect a man did it.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||February 28, 2021 11:19 PM|
I suspect you’re right R197, but no one should EVER assume gender
|by Anonymous||reply 198||February 28, 2021 11:55 PM|
According to Leigh Kerr there was a religious aspect to the crime scene and the bodies were staged. I am guessing they were staged Pieta-like.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||March 1, 2021 4:03 AM|
R199 Interesting take. I was thinking one of them was posed as if crucified.
The source also said the pose was sexual. I’m not sure how that fits with religious iconography.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||March 1, 2021 4:36 AM|
If Leigh Kerr is legit then I think the PB suspect people mention in the AMA thread is the guy. If you google him he definitely fits for Bridge Guy. His eyes are chilling. Looks like a socio. And interestingly he is web savvy
|by Anonymous||reply 201||March 1, 2021 12:13 PM|
If it’s PB what an arrogant fuck, showing up to search and to the press conference. I have no idea if it is but the photo side by side with Bridge Guy is compelling.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||March 1, 2021 1:27 PM|
There's a Reddit thread saying the guy who accused PB is a notorious net loon who injects himself into lots of cases and shouldn't be taken seriously.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||March 1, 2021 1:31 PM|
R203 I saw that too, BUT he isn’t the only person who suspects this dude. And you know what they say about a stopped clock...
|by Anonymous||reply 204||March 1, 2021 1:57 PM|
And maybe that Reddit thread was started by PB R204
|by Anonymous||reply 205||March 1, 2021 1:58 PM|
The physical similarities are pretty striking between BG and PB, that's true.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||March 1, 2021 2:05 PM|
Leigh Kerr appears to be intelligent and if he/she is for real, my guess is he/she is an attorney in the DA’s office
|by Anonymous||reply 207||March 1, 2021 6:14 PM|
R207 That’s my thought. And it was in no way someone going “rogue.” This was a deliberate move by those handling the case to draw someone out.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||March 1, 2021 10:54 PM|
The Libby Abby subreddit has been locked and gone to private
|by Anonymous||reply 209||March 1, 2021 11:23 PM|
R209 Leigh Kerr was supposed to come back and answer the highest voted questions that he hadn’t gotten to last night.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||March 1, 2021 11:37 PM|
Stop with the initials.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||March 1, 2021 11:53 PM|
[quote] His eyes are chilling.
Oh, well case closed then.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||March 1, 2021 11:54 PM|
What about Gabriel Ellis or Kurt Fouts (caught with an escort who said that judge Fouts was part of a sex club run by men who abuse girls in 2017).?
|by Anonymous||reply 213||March 2, 2021 3:43 AM|
A theory. Not sure about the barn idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||March 2, 2021 4:00 AM|
The subreddit is back up
|by Anonymous||reply 215||March 2, 2021 4:43 AM|
Based on comments at r214 u-tube link, sounds like dude’s theory is at least interesting .... but the narrator is way too slow. Can anyone summarize?
Way back the theory was - one of the girls (A?) was pregnant (or feared to be) & she was killed to keep that from going forward & interfering with the groovy young life of whatever boy. Don’t remember specs well enough ....... not sure these girls were even old enough to menstruate.
Anyway this theory fit well with a number of factors:
- unconfirmed rumor that A was gored “through the abdomen” - effectively confirmed rumor that other girl L had injuries consistent with fighting back, raising Q of why if one fought back, the other was targeted for (abdominal) brutalization - ‘killed to end feared pregnancy’ story at least provides a motive for targeting apparently innocent kids ...... no need to invent crazy stories like someone looking to collect a drug debt made his first approach by brutally murdering the debtor’s uninvolved child & her even-less involved friend in broad daylight in public - motive of ending an unwanted pregnancy could be viewed as reasonable enough by a boy’s parents (if they are deplorable shitheads) that they might help make arrangements before or after etc , which ties into: - unconfirmed stories / speculation that the girls might’ve meant to meet up with someone at bridge, even though they didn’t seem to recognize the pos they encountered. IF that all is true, it suggests pre-planning involving multiple people. Hard to imagine any group of people conspiring to murder a little girl, but it becomes at least possible under the above theory - huge variations in what’s been officially said about probable perp, including that most recent sketch looks nothing like dude in pics & also looks half his age ... has led to speculation of involvement by both a father & his impregnating son - this part IDK IIRC in all aspects .... but there was a car parked nearby the next day that registration showed belonged to local boy (with Christian community connections? may be making that part up, not sure) & bought for him by his father
|by Anonymous||reply 216||March 3, 2021 12:46 PM|
^ aargh sorry, tried to format that as a list but it didn’t work & is a mess instead
|by Anonymous||reply 217||March 3, 2021 12:55 PM|
R211, I think people do it for plausible deniability reasons, in case the person they're talking about happens across any accusations.
PB is Pat Br*wn. BG means "Bridge Guy."
|by Anonymous||reply 218||March 3, 2021 12:59 PM|
Ever since the drama with "verifying" the guy who goes by Leigh Kerr on the subreddit, he's completely disappeared, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 219||March 3, 2021 1:02 PM|
I don’t believe the abortion by murder story. Clearly, being the the murderer of two children would be a worse situation for the killer than the father of boy who had impregnated his 13 year old girlfriend. Also, it seems (if Leigh Kerr can be believed) that Abby was killed first and quickly, possibly bludgeoned. Per the leaked texts by the uncle who found them, Liberty got the worst of it and was the one who was left naked.
The story in the video (Liberty’s father fingered two meth dealers and this was retribution) makes more sense....and would account for the positioning of the bodies (sexual/religious) as a huge fuck you to the father and the community as a whole. It could explain why Liberty was left undressed (to shame her and the family) and the other girl wasn’t (collateral damage).
The meth revenge could also explain why the girls weren’t sexually assaulted. Your first thought is, the BG was some transient perv who abducted them to rape them. But he didn’t. Maybe that’s because the assailant was there to carry out a revenge killing/warning to Derek German for “snitching” and couldn’t or wasn’t willing to rape one or both tweens, and so killed them and left the bodies posed in a provacative, profane way to hurt the families and community.
Somehow, the meth revenge killing is less horrifying than a random sadistic redneck preying on two kids in a crime of opportunity...
|by Anonymous||reply 220||March 3, 2021 1:08 PM|
R219 No, he’s popped up on the new sub, Today is the Day, sounding defensive and even fishier.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||March 3, 2021 1:09 PM|
R219: Leigh Kerr appeared last night 3/2/2021 (either at LibbyandAbby or BuckRowdy’s new sub DelphiTodayIsTheDay) saying he had personal issues to attend to and would still respond.
R216: Regarding the 2/14/2017 (approximate 22:21 time) scanner traffic: It’s the dispatcher returning registration info on B*ian and B*njamin Beeks’ Monticello 2008 light blue Toyota. However, we do not know when the inquiry was made about the Toyota nor if it was even near Delphi. The Websleuther who dug up the scanner traffic wrote: “State Police out of Lafayette have an 8-county coverage area - including in and around Monticello.” Years ago I went down the Beeks rabbit hole and crawled out concluding “the Beeks have nothing to do with this.” I stopped following this case.
But then Leigh Kerr appeared last week. I can’t decide if he’s a fraud or has inside info. It was bizarre when Leigh Kerr was answering FB questions and JDW popped in. Who knows if it was the real Kokomo Pastor JDW. Equally bizarre was Robert Ives using the term “non-secular signatures” but now I can’t find where and when he said it or even if he did.
I always thought this was lucky-psycho related. But now I just don’t know what to think.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||March 3, 2021 2:29 PM|
Why was there no mention of two girls screaming loudly while being stabbed to death? It would have echoed in the woods far and wide.
My theory is that it was catfishing through Snapchat to abuse Libby. BG pretended to be a policeman when he saw Abby was there too and was pissed that Libby brought a friend.
There is an escort from that area who recorded the judge Kurtis Fouts and he resigned. She also does meth and possibly knew Libby's dad who had meth issues. She made a video about it where she says there is a sex club run by men in Lafayette (25 minutes from Delphi) and they kidnap girls for sexual pleasure. Fouts was one of the members in the club. Fouts also was a lawyer against Derrick's case in 2011 (35-43-4-2(a)/FD: Theft, 35-48-4-14.5(c)/FD: Possess Anhydrous Ammonia/Ammonia Solution w/ Intent To Manufacture Drug).
|by Anonymous||reply 223||March 3, 2021 4:58 PM|
I cannot find any source of Robert Ives, former Carroll Co prosecutor, stating anything about “non-secular” signatures. He does say, in the 2020 HLN podcast, that “signatures” are there. But who knows what they are.
Clearly this case is cold. What a tragic shame.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||March 3, 2021 5:25 PM|
Ives says in this Dr Oz interview he hopes police will release more info. Wonder if he's Leigh Kerr. He says the items were unusual.
Like I said above, the girls would have been heard screaming if they were killed at 3 pm. I wonder if they were taken somewhere else, killed, and their bodies returned to the river after the search was called off.
No teenage girls want to "go for a walk" without having a different motive. Especially, when they had to be driven to the secluded location.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||March 3, 2021 5:41 PM|
R222, this might help re: "non-secular"
|by Anonymous||reply 226||March 3, 2021 5:46 PM|
Per Leigh Kerr, the signatures included hair missing from both girls and their bodies posed in a relgious but also sexual way.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||March 3, 2021 5:51 PM|
Also per Leigh Kerr, the girls were killed at the spot they were found and were dead by the time Liberty German’s father came to find them. I suspect they were gagged.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||March 3, 2021 5:54 PM|
R225 I was once a teen girl and yes you do walk just to walk sometimes. Not saying that they were definitely not up to something but not necessarily either.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||March 3, 2021 6:22 PM|
R225 Consider where they grew up. Those trails are where kids went. Crossing that bridge was a thrill and evidently was Abby’s first time. Kids are also social media minded and the bridge and the view made for good photos.
Not saying they weren’t expecting to meet someone, just that kids do hang out in nature, doing nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||March 3, 2021 6:43 PM|
[quote] Liberty’s father fingered two meth dealers
Is there video of this?
|by Anonymous||reply 231||March 3, 2021 6:44 PM|
R231 See R213 for the video...
|by Anonymous||reply 232||March 3, 2021 7:35 PM|
Oh thank you R226, R227! Last week, when I was wherever in the internet, I saw Robert Ives supposedly say “non-secular.” So I then went to a YouTube place and a commenter said “crosses carved in the trees.” Well who knows if that’s true.
Leigh Kerr’s new postings are contradictory to me - religious yet sexual “tableau.”
Within the last week I’ve looked at new Reddit subs, historic Reddit/Websleuths places, and then gone down old rabbit holes and new ones.
My old and new rabbit holes were on the Beeks, Pat and Angel [email protected] and their little pickup, then Micah H, then pastor JDW.
My conclusion is still that these people were way too obese, way too short-legged, way too short, way too fat-faced, or way too skinny in 2017 to be BG - whether OBG sketch or YBG sketch. The video shows to me a broad-shouldered guy with long skinny legs. He doesn’t have a beer gut, hulking arms, or short sausage legs. And he’s also not lithe and skinny like a teen or young adult.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||March 3, 2021 7:51 PM|
R233 I don’t think he’s fat, either. I think he has a lot of crap under that jacket. One thing Leigh Kerr said that makes sense - he was watching them through binoculars.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||March 3, 2021 11:02 PM|
Evidently the Leigh Kerr AMA convinced a family member to demand more information, according to a poster on this thread. Who knows if true, but that would really great if it works and new released information prompts a legitimate tip....
|by Anonymous||reply 235||March 4, 2021 2:05 PM|
Well, maybe Leigh Kerr triggered something. That’s good I think.
Leigh Kerr may be a complete fraud.
He may also be “Robert Lindsey” who had a blog but Word Press shut it down due to its sexual nature. (I see Robert Lindsey is now recently commenting on YouTube sites.) Leigh Kerr and Robert Lindsey focused on Snapchat/sexual/religious. Who knows if that’s true.
But Leigh Kerr may also be a frustrated insider/outsider LE. Who knows.
Stunningly, there’s the “True Crime Garage” 3/2 and 3/3/2021 podcasts where the hosts at the end of Ep 2 chat about a man/wife couple. Recent Reddit posts, some deleted, throw out the names [email protected] and V Nabors who live near Deer Creek.
I’ve always thought it was some rando lucky-psycho that day.
But thinking about the bizarre pressers with: changing sketches and different explanations about the sketches; Doug Carter’s reference to The Shack; and the presser’s assertion we might be surprised about a community member - I just don’t know what to think except that LE needs to release more info.
The cryptic pressers and subsequent lack of information mimics this finger-pointing tragedy to Twilight Zone’s The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||March 4, 2021 8:24 PM|
That Robert Lindsay guy requested me on Facebook just after the murders because I commented in a group about the girls. I'm from Australia and expressed my sympathy and hope that the murderer/s would be caught swiftly. He was sending me full essays about hebephilia until I blocked him. A real weirdo.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||March 4, 2021 9:27 PM|
That Robert Lindsay guy was a huge creep. This tragedy brought out so many scummy true crime fame whores
|by Anonymous||reply 238||March 4, 2021 9:38 PM|
Yikes. Glad I’m not on Facebook. I will listen to the True Crime Garage podcast.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||March 4, 2021 11:00 PM|
R222 Wow, one of the hosts practically named CN: He sold or may talk about selling property, graduate education, better job than most in Delphi, and especially, stressing he had his own way to and from and crime scene. Very interesting.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||March 5, 2021 2:56 AM|
I just started investigating this case. Stayed tune.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||March 5, 2021 3:54 AM|
R223: I’ve yet to determine an official source reporting screaming was heard. On sub-Reddit DelphiIsTheDay’s “Timeline” there is a post asserting fellow student Cheyenne said on FB she heard screaming and called 911. Who knows if that is true.
I lived near the Platte Canyon High School tragedy. A young male student who was in the room asserted he said something to try to save the girls. It came out later he didn’t and it was just a young teen’s mind trying to process survivor’s guilt and incredible trauma. I often think of this poor kid and wonder if he is okay.
If Cheyenne did indeed call 911, the tape should be released. There should be no “evidentiary protection” in releasing that unless LE is protecting their decisions to have many untrained personnel search, then stop the overnight search, and then refuse the dogs who were en-route from another city.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||March 5, 2021 3:16 PM|
This interview is as sketchy af.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||March 5, 2021 3:24 PM|
I have never heard of a case with so much secrecy in it. What is that about?
|by Anonymous||reply 244||March 5, 2021 3:41 PM|
The guy on the video has nothing to do with the crime, but the cops think he does. Until they realize this it won't be solved.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||March 5, 2021 3:45 PM|
R245 You are saying BG has nothing to do with the crime? That's preposterous. The entire incident was recorded on Libby's phone.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||March 5, 2021 3:51 PM|
What’s with all the secrecy from the cops?
|by Anonymous||reply 247||March 5, 2021 3:53 PM|
People have suggested they didn’t scream because BG held a gun on them. I don’t think you could stop yourself from screaming if threatened with a gun.
Hopefully the lack of screams means they were killed very fast.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||March 5, 2021 4:26 PM|
The cops clearly fucked up the investigation in someway (obtaining evidence through legally inadmissible means).
|by Anonymous||reply 249||March 5, 2021 4:50 PM|
Recent long list of Tobe answering questions. It's too long to post them here.
Q. Do you consider this a cold case? Why?
A. Absolutely not. A true “cold case” provides no leads, no information to follow into. This is not the situation with the Abby & Libby investigation. Our investigators are still, on a daily basis, receiving information which can be looked into. In essence, the “well has not gone dry.”
Q. How would this case be handled from the beginning had there not been any audio/video of the person of interest?
A. Obviously we would have had to rely on other evidence gained, from all sources.
Q. Did one or more than one set of footprints lead searchers to the area where the girls were found?
A. This speaks to an evidentiary aspect of the investigation and I would respectfully prefer not to answer.
Q. Is there partial DNA or a full DNA profile of the suspect?
If there is DNA, has it been run against a genealogy DNA database?
A. This also speaks to an evidentiary aspect of the investigation.
Q. The public has been given two sketches, is the thought there is more than one person involved or is the second sketch the suspected killer? Please clarify the two sketches, this has been a point of confusion since the second sketch was released.
A. These were produced by information gained from witnesses near the area during time frame. The primary focus by investigators is on the second sketch.
Q. Was video collected throughout Delphi from Feb. 13, 2017 including video from the building across from the abandoned CPS building (The Anderson’s)?
A. Multiple pieces of evidence, including anything technologically based, have been gained. At least information followed into or brought to the attention by the investigators.
Q. No matter how distant, do you have the man walking on the bridge, videoed by Libby, on any other video?
A. This is close to an evidentiary information question and I prefer not to respond.
Q. Why have no other photos from Libby’s phone been released to the public?
A. This is close to an evidentiary information question and I prefer not to respond.
Q. Why have you never released the FBI’s suspect profile to the public?
A. It has been discussed with the FBI, but again, it is currently felt it is close to the evidentiary element.
Q. Are there regrets about not securing the Morning Heights Cemetery as a possible part of the crime scene (i.e. possible exit route of the killer(s)?
A. At the time, it was uncertain exactly what the “totality of the circumstances” were.
Q. Do investigators believe the bridge photo and voice belong to same person?
MORE AT LINK
|by Anonymous||reply 250||March 5, 2021 5:54 PM|
R250 So they have nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||March 5, 2021 7:56 PM|
Not even close. All they have is a few words and a blurry image. Law enforcement admits the attack was not recorded. They have no evidence to tie this guy on audio or the video other than snippets of poor quality. The "guys" and "down the hill" are two sentences spliced for release and in-between is gibberish.
If they had anything, this guy would be caught. They are focused on the wrong guy
|by Anonymous||reply 252||March 6, 2021 1:32 AM|
R252 you are a troll. It has been well established that BG is the killer. Back up your claims please.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||March 6, 2021 1:58 AM|
R251 I think it sounds like they have a suspect whose wife is providing his alibi.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||March 6, 2021 3:13 AM|
R252 no, there is more audio but law enforcement doesn’t think releasing it will help. For example, if you listen to the sound clip (the best version is on FBI website, you can clearly hear one of the girls yelling “Oh, my GOD!” between the “Guys” and “Down the hill.” According to one family member who heard the recording, the sound of a gun being cocked can also be heard.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||March 6, 2021 11:28 AM|
I really hope they have other evidence, however it has to be acknowledged that his answers are also an old investigative technique used to rattle the killer and hopefully cause him to panic and ultimately make a mistake that reveals who he is by implying that evidence such as DNA may exist. Again, after studying serial killers for decades I believe he was unknown to the girls. Most serial killers have a "type" of victim that they fantasize about about. An example would be Ted Bundy. All of his victims were young, thin,attractive women with long brunette hair parted down the middle. The victim type is essential to their rape, kill fantasy. That is why I think one girl was killed quickly, just to get her out of the way of his true target. I do believe he got them to cooperate and keep quite by holding a weapon on one girl and telling them one sound and she was dead. It is not difficult to threaten and intimate children that age into obeying orders. They are still at the age/mind set of obeying adults without question, even subconsciously. It is only when we mature into mid to late teens that the concept of making our own decisions develop. What a fucking monster. You can bet money on one thing. Whoever the SOB he follows the threads closely, and more than likely gets a sick thrill from posting as well . There is also no doubt in my mind that he kept a "memento" from the victims to relive the crime over and over again, the way John Wayne Gacy did. He has killed before. He will kill again, probably in another state.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||March 6, 2021 5:11 PM|
Don't (overly) holler at me!
But is there a summary anywhere of the current state of information on what happened here?
|by Anonymous||reply 257||March 7, 2021 12:23 PM|
So their “method” of hardly releasing any info to make the killer be caught by slipping up (or whatever) obviously didn’t work. It has been four years. Try a different tactic or call it a cold case. I am starting to wonder if they really don’t have much of anything beyond what we have seen.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||March 7, 2021 3:01 PM|
This case must have really given hope to psychopaths out there. Apparently you can get away with killing two people in the middle of a sunny day outside with others AND with video/pictures and audio of your voice. I really wonder if this case would have looked different if the families had been wealthy rather than dirt poor.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||March 7, 2021 3:14 PM|
R259, the video is blurry. The audio isn't clear. No one really has a good idea of what he looks or sounds like.
BTW, motiveless (or seemingly motiveless) killings by strangers have always been harder to solve than ones committed by someone the victim knows
|by Anonymous||reply 260||March 7, 2021 3:32 PM|
r257 Here's a decent summary on the case. All the "recent" info is a bunch of conjecture from a supposed insider who has been all over the FB groups and Reddit. He's most likely a phony. The rest of the audio from Libby's phone can't be revealed because it's too horrifying.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||March 7, 2021 7:25 PM|
Aargh at first I knew lots .... now who are all these names & initials?! Are there any possible POIs who are widely believed to be involved, or does everyone on Reddit have their own pet perp?
And these ‘leakers’ and other insiders ... AFAIK any anon person claiming such status online is not to be taken seriously .... that not true here?
Way back at the start (when I thought this would be satisfying to follow cuz it would be solved fast) there was online talk of ‘shunned Amish’ communities around Delphi that seemed to have some promise .... did that go anywhere? Seems now it’s all about standard Jesus-hollering Christian community dudes under suspicion
|by Anonymous||reply 262||March 27, 2021 12:36 PM|
The Daily Fail has an article posted today that has a suspect being investigated. The picture looks pretty similar to the sketch. I really hope that this is the killer so he will be caught and punished. I won’t link cuz DL doesn’t like the Mail.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||April 28, 2021 11:58 PM|
The suspect looks like the sketch!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 264||April 30, 2021 12:27 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 265||April 30, 2021 11:21 AM|
It has to be him. This case has really bothered me that someone got away with doing this. I hope this is the guy so there can be closure
|by Anonymous||reply 266||April 30, 2021 2:02 PM|
R266-- I agree, that IS him. I just hope LE has enough evidence against him for a conviction. This case has literally haunted me. Praying for justice for the victim and families. Also praying that this monster is removed from society.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||April 30, 2021 2:42 PM|
@R267--Meant victims, plural. Typo
|by Anonymous||reply 268||April 30, 2021 2:43 PM|
He does fit so well. He looks similar build/type to the video. His voice sounds similar. He had tons of outdoors activity on his social media. He lived just 30minutes from where they were killed. He was caught while abducting and trying to kill a young girl (same MO). I'm not going to assume it's him but he's a very good suspect or person of interest. I want to know more about what kind of DNA they have and if it could get the killer.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||April 30, 2021 2:46 PM|
Holy crap, now that I see the suspect, I can see how someone could have come up with both sketches. You think they're completely different, but he's got the eyes and lips of one and the nose of the other.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||April 30, 2021 2:48 PM|
r263 No idea what you are talking about. The DM is the DL paper of record.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||April 30, 2021 3:28 PM|
Something not a lot of people get is that the man in the video was walking like an old guy because it was a fairly dangerous bridge with rotting wood, so you'd have to carefully step on each plank and make sure it wasn't a rotted one too. So that's why it can be misleading about the age of the person in the girl's videos. You can find youtubes of the bridge and it makes you understand what it was really like.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||April 30, 2021 3:34 PM|
On facebook, he gives strong "Todd from vaguebooking" vibes.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||April 30, 2021 3:45 PM|
R272-- I think he was also carrying weapons, maybe even a "kill kit." That would also account for his careful, hesitate gait, as well as the condition of the bridge, as you correctly pointed out.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||April 30, 2021 4:00 PM|
Browsing Reddit and found this mugshot of the suspect from a year before the murders and he looks a lot like one sketch of the murderer.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||April 30, 2021 4:45 PM|
He does look remarkably like the Bridge man. Between the similar looks and the fact of his crime being almost identical to the Delphi murders, I really feel he is the killer. Hope we have answers soon.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||April 30, 2021 7:08 PM|
R276-- Meant to say that I have no doubt he would have murdered her if he hadn't been caught.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||April 30, 2021 7:14 PM|
Barely over 5ft tall? That's very short for a man. I wonder if investigators could have worked out approximate height from the video, since that would have been a good tip to look out for.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||May 1, 2021 4:02 AM|
You think they have that technology/ability, R278. Good observation! That is an extremely rare height, isn't it? I am going to Google percentages Again, good observation.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||May 1, 2021 4:29 AM|
0.1 percent, R279
|by Anonymous||reply 280||May 1, 2021 4:32 AM|
[quote] I won’t link cuz DL doesn’t like the Mail
We don't like when people start threads with a daily mail link. But posting inside a thread is okay, unless it's one of their delusional political stories
|by Anonymous||reply 281||May 1, 2021 5:01 AM|
[quote] We don't like when people start threads with a daily mail link.
I don’t mind it.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||May 1, 2021 5:42 AM|
Ugh! Omg he does look like the sketch!!
|by Anonymous||reply 283||May 1, 2021 5:55 AM|
have we confirmed this guy was into hunting and/or fishing? so many reddit threads i didn't read all the way through. that sketch looks a LOT like him. any similarities to the girl he kidnapped and held hostage and one of the murdered girls?
|by Anonymous||reply 284||May 1, 2021 6:59 AM|
where did his shoulders go?
|by Anonymous||reply 285||May 1, 2021 7:11 AM|
The police did say they had a good idea of who had committed the crime and were waiting for him to slip up as it was just a matter of time. I guess they were right.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||May 1, 2021 7:17 AM|
i really hope they have some DNA evidence in the Delphi case. Either way, this fucker is going down for assault, kidnapping, attempted murder and molestation of a child. Really can't get around finding the child on the actual premises, injured and chained up in the basement. But i'm hoping they have some sort of DNA evidence or something they haven't released to public that would pin this on him.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||May 1, 2021 7:21 AM|
R284, there's no mention of him being into hunting or fishing but his social media had a lot of photos of him outdoors, including one of him in a tent. Places just like the Delphi hike. If you look at the link, they have some of his social media photos and you'll see what I mean.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||May 1, 2021 7:44 AM|
r288 that's chilling. i don't want to jump on the "this is the guy!" train, but he is clearly guilty of another crime and i really hope they have some forensic evidence to tie him to the girls murders. he's clearly a fucked up guy and needs to be convicted of crimes against the girl they found.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||May 1, 2021 8:01 AM|
Now, that's very creepy.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||May 1, 2021 8:02 AM|
[quote]I think it was a stranger.
Stranger to the two victims. But not to the area. Perhaps someone who have lived in the area as a kid/teen/young adult, moved away. And then returned for whatever reason to murder.
Sometimes the police are lucky in their investigations and the perp caught in a timely manner. But often decades go by until the perp is caught, do more to luck and happenstance than investigation. The following are some of the more famous murderers and how long it took police to catch them:
Golden State Killer, James DeAngelo: 32 years
Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway: 19 years
John Cooper, Pembrokeshire Murders: 25 years
And some of the ones who still haven't been caught:
The Zodiac Killer
The Long Island Killer
Jack the Ripper
|by Anonymous||reply 291||May 1, 2021 9:03 AM|
r291 - the current POI looks very good for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||May 1, 2021 9:05 AM|
a hair, a skin sample from nails, just SOMETHING. he looks good for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||May 1, 2021 9:30 AM|
[quote] I don’t mind it.
If the link worked, it might be okay
But many times, the mail links are just videos. Then you've got to go an search for the story. No one has time for that shit
Plus the mail has really become a repug propaganda site
|by Anonymous||reply 294||May 1, 2021 9:43 AM|
We have no idea if LE has DNA, but the assumption is they don't or we would have heard of it being used to find the killer by now. There are rumors that they did collect touch DNA at the site but no one knows for sure.
There was also an investigator who said there was physical evidence but it's "not what you think," which makes people believe it might be simply touch DNA (i.e. nothing left behind in a sexual assault) or even dog DNA, since one victim was possibly bitten by a dog at some point.
This presumed lack of DNA is one reason why people believe the girls weren't sexually assaulted. There were also some texts leaked from one of the searchers who found the bodies where the searcher said the girls hadn't been assaulted, though the validity of the texts is uncertain.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||May 1, 2021 9:49 AM|
that's hard to believe r295 as they were said to be posed. all throughout this investigation, there is a pose feature. not saying they were sexually assaulted, but posed they were. i would think there would be some DNA or something from crime scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||May 1, 2021 10:01 AM|
We don't know if they were posed. The texts from the guy who found the girls say they were not posed.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||May 1, 2021 10:07 AM|
R286 How did they say that? Like they had a name, someone to watch?
|by Anonymous||reply 298||May 1, 2021 10:40 AM|
This tattoo. Someone in the comments did an overlay showing that it pretty much matches Libby's photo. Holy shit!
|by Anonymous||reply 299||May 1, 2021 11:26 AM|
There is a similarity in the way they speak.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||May 1, 2021 11:29 AM|
R299, the tattoo dates to before the murders, there's a photo of him playing with a puppy in 2016 where he has the tat. It's creepy but it's not of one of the victims.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||May 1, 2021 11:34 AM|
Thanks for clarifying, r301 - Obviously there's a lot of speculation and wild theories about this crime. I probably should have checked ALL the comments - there were a lot to get through - before posting. Nevertheless, it's a creepy coincidence in a very disturbing case.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||May 1, 2021 11:49 AM|
It took me forever to find that when I was looking for it yesterday r302, which is why I didn't link to the post that showed the photo from 2016 where he already had a tattoo, it would take me an hour to figure out which link in my history it was.
It really is a creepy coincidence, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||May 1, 2021 11:51 AM|
Talk to the mothers of the girls
|by Anonymous||reply 304||May 1, 2021 12:19 PM|
According to the mugshot linked at r275, the suspect is 5'8", not 5'0", r278 - r280. So not freakishly short.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||May 1, 2021 12:47 PM|
It's the ears. Look at his left ear in the photo and the left ear of the first sketch.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||May 1, 2021 12:50 PM|
Ok, that tattoo gave me chills. That little girl came as close to death as is possible without dying. Mere minutes saved her, poor child. I always felt that the case would be solved by him getting caught committing another kidnapping/murder. It bothered me that another child would have to be hurt, possibly killed to solve this crime. We all knew this sick piece of shit would kill again. Looking at one photo of him outside somewhere with train tracks/trees in the background startled me for some reason. My first thought was he is posing over a grave, like The Moors murderers. They were a couple who killed children in the 60's in England. They then posed for pictures standing on the murdered children's graves. Myra Hindley and Ian Brady. Those are the vibes some of his pictures gave me. Hope to hell I am wrong. Also, the way he was standing in one picture was almost exactly the same stance as BG. Almost bowed legs. Short legs, but not abnormally short. And the dog. The child had bite marks from his pitbull. Sadistic beyond words. I will be very surprised if he isn't the Delphi killer Very. That tattoo alone should convict his sick ass, imo. That little girl was only 9 years old. Electrocute his sick, sadistic, sorry ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||May 1, 2021 1:21 PM|
I agree R307, I think this is their man. And he does indeed look younger than he is, which explains the second sketch. He actually does look like a blend of both.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||May 1, 2021 1:27 PM|
He’s a young looking 42. I can see why the people who saw home that day put his age all over the place
|by Anonymous||reply 309||May 1, 2021 2:01 PM|
I just read the link in R288 and he’s a Trump supporter lol. Of course he is.
|by Anonymous||reply 310||May 1, 2021 2:13 PM|
R288, That's exactly what I said when I read he is from LaFollette. Nothing good ever came from the Knoxville Tn. environs.
Trump supporters galore; and more than their share of criminal element.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||May 1, 2021 2:26 PM|
I hope the prisoners pull a Dalmer on his ass and beat him to death. Slowly.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||May 1, 2021 2:39 PM|
Those amateur sleuths on Reddit are batshit crazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||May 1, 2021 7:19 PM|
Not surprised the suspect is a deplorable.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||May 1, 2021 7:39 PM|
Forensic files on this asshole!
|by Anonymous||reply 315||May 1, 2021 8:03 PM|
R314-- Yes, that was disgusting but not one bit surprising. Women hating bullies identify with him. Shocker. Pedophiles identify with him. They can see it in another.
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Answering Some Reddit Delphi Murders Sub Haters, Part 2
I really shouldn’t answer this stuff, but some of it is so outrageously and libelously flat out wrong that they need to be answered because they are so nasty, so wrong and so destructive. They actually report my conclusions as the exact opposite of what I concluded! Very few rumors below fall into that category, but a few do.
I would like to point out that a few posters were considerate enough to write about me more or less respectfully. I thank these posters for their decency. I notice they are all men. For some damned reason I am a lightning rod for women on that sub.
With the amount of information that he claims to have about the case there are only a few logical conclusions 1) He is LE attached to the case, but for some reason is leaking all of the information that is supposed to be kept secret or 2) He is the actual killer (only other way he could possibly know this much detailed info) or 3) A pathological liar / fraud.
None of them are true.
Of course I’m not the killer, but thank you for crediting my intuitive, profiling, and cold reading skills. Also I’ve already been investigated and cleared by Indiana State Police. Go ask the FBI. A friend of mine did, and the FBI told them, “Lindsay hasn’t left California in years.”
Of course I don’t make up anything. If I did, I would tell me group and ask them if they want to dissolve the group because I would be so ashamed of myself.
Oh boy, the clowns and haters over on Reddit are going round and round again lying about me. Some of these lies are truly pernicious though and as many times as I have refuted them, I always have to go back and do it again.
First of all, a couple of the comments are fairly respectful, as far as such things go. My regards to those commenters for keeping it clean and real. I will deal with most of it in another post.
When he first started turning up on sites discussing Delphi, because of the type of comments he was making & his blog content, people were wondering if he was an RSO trolling crime forums under a pseudonym he took from the other notorious Robert Lindsay
Whoa! One of us Robert Lindsays is a sex offender! Well, I’ll be. I always knew we can came from an illustrious family line.
I’ve definitely seen Lindsay describe himself as an extremely attractive man in the looks dept.
Gong! Wrong again. I’m not that tone-deaf. I would never say I was goodlooking because no one can be objective about that. Instead I say that other people have been saying for many years that I was goodlooking or very goodlooking. And at age 24, I did get two offers to be a model, but I turned them down because I’m so damned homophobic. Now that I think of it, that really was the peak of my looks. What I would give to have that face back!
Alas, when you bet on the body, you bet on a losing horse, as the Buddhists say. The handsomest men and the most beautiful women will all see their looks fade. I am 60 years old. Most women won’t even look at me anymore. But women my age still rave about how hot I am, so I guess I’ve still got something. Honestly though, I hate my most recent photos.
He is certainly preoccupied with his appearance and intelligence (such as it is).
It’s an IQ blog. We talk IQ on here. It’s what we do. If it offends you, leave. There’s really no need to talk about my intelligence. If you’re bright, it’s obvious to all around you. Just read the site. There’s nothing more to say.
I would like to say though that I did absolutely nothing to earn either my looks or my brains. I simply lucked out in the genetic lottery. I don’t see how that makes me better than anyone else. How am I better? Because I was smart enough before I was born to pick the right parents?
And in case you are wondering, my father was a very handsome man. I saw a photo of him at 35 when he married and he could have been a Hollywood actor. No wonder he slayed so much. And my mother has always been beautiful of course. My father had a near-gifted IQ (129), and my mother has a genius IQ (~147). She also graduated second in her class at UC Berkeley’s Boalt Law School. That’s pretty damned hard to do. All my siblings have genius IQ’s of 140+.
I guess we all got lucky.
His prose is the literary analog of explosive diarrhea.
Well, let’s see you do better, ok?
I won Best Column for a High School Newspaper in California in 1974 at the USC High School Journalism Awards. I wrote for my school paper and school magazine at university. Out of 50 submissions to the magazine, five were chosen, and mine was one of the five. I am a former Assistant Editor of a magazine. I have worked as a freelance writer. I have published literary fiction (short story). Gary Snyder, a very famous writer – look him up on Wikipedia – was at that literary conference, and he was telling people how much he liked my story.
I write for a peer reviewed linguistics journal and referee on the same journal. I also write books. I’m a published author. Most recently, I published an 81 page chapter in a linguistics book printed out of a university in Turkey. And that had to get through two murderous peer reviews – one for the journal and one for the book – including one that included the top scholars in that field.
So anyway, you don’t like my writing? Let’s see you do better.
The guy is a pervert and shows no regard for others and their comments. He constantly asks for money.
Pervert? Well, of course I am. Thank you very much. As long as I get those testosterone shots anyway.
No regard for others and their comments? Not so. Come to our forum some time and see if it’s true.
I don’t constantly ask for money. But this is a pay site. It’s not a free site! We hit you up of course in the first two posts on the front page, but after that, we leave you tight pikers alone most of the time. How bout if you tell me why I should work for free? Do you work for free?
I am saddened to think that anyone would believe anything he writes.
Ask the ISP. They requested to see a lot of our data and photos, and we sent it to them. I sure hope they don’t believe us!
He seems to me like a sad, lonely, messed up man with nothing but time on his hands.
Messed up? Hey, we all are. But I work in mental health, so I’m not allowed to be too nuts, or I won’t be able to work with my “messed up” clients.
Time on my hands? I live off a trust fund. I don’t have to work. Eat your heart out!
I personally feel like he should be ashamed of himself for all of the nonsense he spews.
Of course not. They’re all rumors and nowadays at least we check the rumors out extensively before we even run them. A lot of rumors come from such unreliable sources that we never run them. Rumors are rumors. A lot of them will go bad. That’s just how rumors are. But usually some will end up being correct.
He’s banned him and deserves to be sued…How he hasn’t been sued and found guilty of defamation is beyond me.
I am certainly not banned from the Delphi forum. I posted there not long ago in fact. No one will sue me. I am a Journalism major. In order to prove libel, the statement must be:
- Known to be false by the person who made it.
- Made with malice aforethought.
Of course I don’t print anything that I know is false. Anyway, you can’t get sued for libel for printing a rumor.
BA Journalism. Had to take Law of Mass Communications, run exactly like a law school class. We spent a lot of time on libel law. I know it better than you all ever will. I can’t be sued for libel because I haven’t committed any.
People that use tragedies like this to exploit others are the lowest of the low.
Ha ha. Well the police found some of our information valuable. That’s worth something. And the families don’t care what I write here. We have contacts with people who are very close to both families and they told us this.
I’m pretty certain that he is an Aspie (Aspergers syndrome) which is through lack of a better term high functioning autism.
Assburgers?! I’ve been seen by plenty of clinicians over time, psychiatrists, clinical psychologists, MSW’s, LCSW’s. I’ve gotten a few diagnoses but I definitely never got that one! I’ve dated maybe 200 females in my life. There’s no way I could have done that if I had Assburgers. I hear those guys are practically Walking Chick Repellent.
He is extremely intelligent from what I can see, and a lot of what he says is either stated fact or it’s talking about a rumor- that’s where he falls over, he is a bit time deaf and awkward to the mood.
Lots of people are tone-deaf, especially men. The vast majority of them certainly don’t have this massively overdiagnosed condition. Actually I am the opposite of socially clueless. I can almost read your damned mind! That’s how socially with it I am. That’s just about a diagnosis of Anti-Assburgers, if there is such a thing.
Same reason he spends his days on Quora answering questions.
Queera banned me. Thank God! Why is answering questions on Queera all the time imply being tone-deaf? There are hundreds or thousands of people who do just that.
The part I have a problem with is not only does he obsess about pedo vs. hebe., he said he went into chat rooms with little girls and also went on and on about how sexual 9 yr old girls were.
This is so wrong! I have never gone into chat rooms where there were little girls. Why would I go into a place like that? I’d be ashamed to anywhere near a place like that.
As part of some anti-pedophile research I was doing to try to disprove some common arguments pedophiles use to support having sex with kids, I did go into bulletin boards where teenage girls were talking about developmental milestones, which I was doing research on as the age of pubertal markers is said to be dropping. It just so happened that they were discussing their sexual behavior too. They were just bulletin boards like Reddit, sitting on the Net for anyone to see. No one was chatting in real time. You can go read them yourself if you wish.
I wasn’t there for that, but I got out a pen and tallied it up anyway. It’s good research. Underage teenage sex is problematic in a lot of ways and causes some society problems. We need to learn as much about it as possible. It’s a public health matter.
That nine year old girl stuff is some real slander. Pedophiles argue that little children have strong sex drive, want to have sex with adults and try to seduce adults all the time. That argument seemed dubious to me, so I was out to disprove it. That’s why I was on the bulletin board. And on the contrary, my research determined that pre-pubertal children do not have much of a real sex drive at all.
The sex drive comes on in girls at age 13 nowadays, and at that time, many start masturbating, fantasizing about sex, and desiring to have sex with other humans. I found little of that behavior before age 13. So this person has completely misrepresented my position. In fact, they have turned it completely upside down.
I’m getting called a pedophile for doing anti-pedophile research! What in God’s name is wrong with you?
“hot girls throw themselves at me”
LOL wut. Baby, I’m 60 years old. That was way back in the old days, and those days are long gone, never to come again. But yes, it was like that for a bit. People just don’t understand how good handsome men can have it if they play their cards right and perfect their charm, Game, personality, etc. You would not believe the type of lives they can live and the crazy things that can happen to them. It’s the sort of stuff you hear about it and say, “That never happens to anyone!” except it does happen to Chad. I have known many young men like this, and oh boy, the stories I could tell you.
it is NOT okay to be discussing little girls(9 freaking trs old!) Sexuality.
It is ok. I will do it again just to piss you off. As far as the sexuality of 9 year old girls goes, as a good rule, they don’t have any! They don’t have any real sex drive the way we adults do. They do not have the physical sex drive that mature females do. There are physical sensations of the mature female sex drive that I will not go into here, but girls have none of these. Furthermore, little girls do not seem to have any interest in having sex with other humans.
This is the psychological component of the mature female sex drive. One of my best woman friends once described it to me as a feeling of “hunger.” Well, little girls don’t have that. Yes, little girls do engage in sex play. We call it childhood sex play and it is extremely common. I hear about it from clients all the time. This seems to be more exploratory or curiosity seeking as opposed to the type of actual physical and psychological sex drive of a mature adult.
You happy now?
He admitted going into CHILDREN’S chat sites and discussing sexuality with them…He crossed the line with his “research” and I didn’t care to support someone who would blur those kinds of lines for any reason…they were still trying to explain the problem wasn’t him being specific about age or development preferences in child sex offenders, it was his activities and methods of getting information.
We already discussed this, well, libel. Of course I did no such thing and would not ever do such a thing. I’d rather kill myself.
Oh, ugh, I forgot he was talking about underage girls being attracted to him.
Haha! Baby, I am 60 years old. Come on, please. How many 60 year old men are able to attract underage teenage girls? .01%? I wish they were still attracted to me. That would be so great for my ego. I would not feel so old. But really? This does still happen to me, but almost never, maybe only once a year. The last time was nine months ago, she was a 15 year old girl, and she was a total knockout. You’re welcome. I am so proud of myself! Eat your hearts out, haters.
As someone who is usually called a “hot girl “ you’d never see me ever hit on him let alone lie and say he’s attractive.
Evangitron baby doll, I wouldn’t touch your hot ass with a 10 foot pole and an 11 foot extension!
He should be looked at for at least the creepy research with young girls.
Turn me in, Evangitron, for reading bulletin boards on the Internet! I dare you.
Honestly, it his was what he wrote in his blog about the pre-teen sex drive and his own ‘studies’ that creeped me out more than anything he ever posted about Delphi.
Sigh. Here we go again. My studies determined that “preteens” don’t have any damned sex drive, for Chrissake! That blows up one of the pedos’ biggest justifications for molesting kids! You happy now?
Haven’t looked for a long time, but I see he still has some of his milder views re teenage girls on his older blog posts
I love it! One of my favorite posts of all time! Thank you so much for linking to that. And yes it is a gay test, and all you guys who say that girl doesn’t turn you on, well, you’re all a bunch of faggots, ok? Have fun in Frisco, boys!
…he came into the biggest fb group posting such unusually graphic sexual assault scenarios to explain the crime scene, that he got himself banned from the group within a few days + mass-reported to the Delphi tip line (he ranted about being questioned by police on his blog not long after being booted from the group)…Being kicked out of the group & questioned by LE was what set off his first round of blog rants.
I don’t care about those silly bitches and their hen party groups. They can have them.
Sheesh. Ranted? How would you like to get reported to the police 50 times for no good reason as a suspect in one of the most notorious modern murder cases? Would you be happy with that?
and it was so sensationalized because he wanted/needed people to pay him.
Not really. Some of the rumors were quite gruesome and nasty as far as how the girls were killed, but we had to report them, as they were good rumors that had a lot of traction.
The Delphi murders have become a somewhat controversial topic in true crime circles, with adherents of different theories occasionally clashing online.
True Crime Garage's recent run of three episodes on the Delphi murders — titled "Under the Bridge" — added to the controversy. Hosts Nic and the Captain, along with an anonymous Reddit researcher, discussed a theory involving several witnesses in the case. Supporters found the theory interesting. Critics felt that the show pointed the finger at an easily-identifiable private citizen without much evidence.
The Murder Sheet sat down with the Captain to get his side of the story. This episode features our interview with the True Crime Garage host, as well as some statements from the anonymous Redditor behind the theory.
This episode takes a break from our focus on restaurant homicides, and is part of our intermittent series of episodes on the Delphi case.
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James Brian Chadwell II is a 42-year-old Lafayette, Indiana, man who is accused of attempted murder after police found an injured, missing 9-year-old girl in his basement on April 19, 2021.
Authorities in nearby Delphi — only 15 miles away — are investigating him as a possible suspect in the notorious unsolved 2017 murders of Delphi teens Abigail Williams and Liberty German. “The information has obviously been shared with us, and our investigators are looking into him,” Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told the Lafayette Journal & Courier. According to Good Morning America, the sheriff says there are “several factors” causing authorities to look into Chadwell for the Delphi murders, but he didn’t specify what they were. He told ABC News detectives are exploring whether there “might” be a connection but stressed there is no specific link as of yet.
Abby and Libby were murdered after going for a hike near an old bridge in February 2017. They were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, Fox59 reported, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails. Authorities have released two crime scene sketches of a possible suspect, one in which he looks far younger than the other. They also released Snapchat video from Libby’s phone of a man walking on a bridge toward the girls before they were killed. Libby also captured audio of his voice saying, “Down the hill,” according to WRTV. How exactly they died has not been released by authorities. In the intervening years, other people have been investigated as suspects with nothing coming of it.
Jim Piwowarczyk to HeavyA memorial near where Abby and Libby died.
Chadwell is a felon with an extensive criminal history. Some have noted that he has chilling tattoos of girls’ faces on his arms.
Here’s what you need to know:
1. The Affidavit Accuses Chadwell of Choking & Sexually Assaulting a Girl & Locking Her in His Basement
FacebookJames Brian Chadwell.
The probable cause affidavit says that a missing child was “subsequently located in the residence of James Chadwell on Park Avenue in Lafayette, Indiana.”
According to the affidavit, officers were dispatched regarding a missing child report near Park Avenue in Lafayette on April 19. “Upon arrival Officers took a report stating … a female child approximately ten years old had left her residence at approximately 6:30 p.m. and could not be found. While officers were searching the neighborhood, they made contact with James Chadwell, who told officers the girl had been at his residence earlier but had left,” the affidavit states.
Officers continued their search but later returned to Chadwell’s home and “asked him for permission to check his residence.” He allowed them in and the officers checked the basement, which they said was secured with a chain lock, according to the affidavit.
There they “found a young girl who was visibly distraught and crying, with her clothing on the floor beside her,” the affidavit states. She was identified as the missing girl and said Chadwell tried to kill her. She was injured and taken to the hospital for treatment.
Tippecanoe County Court
The girl described going into Chadwell’s residence and petting his dogs. While inside the home, Chadwell attacked her, she said.
The girl said Chadwell “hit her in the head multiple times because she was fighting back. Victim 1 said Chadwell was also choking her with his hands on her neck and also using his arm in a headlock, to the point where she passed out. Victim 1 said most of her clothes were off when she regained consciousness and Chadwell took her into the basement,” according to the affidavit.
He attempted to have sexual intercourse with her and then made her perform oral sex on him, the affidavit alleges. At one point, Chadwell got dressed to go answer the door and then the police found her, it says. Across her neck were lateral strangulation marks, and she had broken blood vessels with black eyes, bruising to her head, arms and legs, and bite marks, according to the court document.
The girl also had a dog bite, according to WLFI.
Court records show that Chadwell faces the following charges: attempted murder, attempted intentional killing of another; child molesting where def. is at least 21 years of age; kidnapping where victim is less than 14 years of age; criminal confinement resulting in serious bodily injury; battery resulting in serious bodily injury; and strangulation.
A post on Facebook from a woman who said she was related to the 9-year-old victim claimed Chadwell “strangled her so bad blood came out of her eyes! Her trachea is damaged to where all she do is eat through a straw!!! If it hadn’t been for the speed of the Lafayette Police Department arriving on the scene, she would be dead!!…She was only 9… he’s punching her and his pit bull is biting her!!” She praised first responders.
2. Some Have Noted That Chadwell Has Tattoos of Crying Girls’ Faces on His Arms
FacebookJames Brian Chadwell.
Astute observers noted that Chadwell has tattoos of two girls’ faces on his arms in which they appear to be crying blood. Some people on social media believe one of the faces looks like Libby German; however, authorities have not publicly connected Chadwell to the murders of Libby and Abby other than to say they are looking into him.
FacebookJames Brian Chadwell.
Some people argue that Chadwell had at least one of the tattoos before the slayings, saying this is a picture of him before that point.
However, his brother Ashley Chadwell told Inside Edition of the tattoo resembling Libby: “I really don’t think he had that tattoo when he got out of prison.”
Ashley Chadwell told Inside Edition, “He’s a monster, exactly. He’s an absolute evil person. Do I think that he’s capable of that kind of crime? Absolutely, absolutely. He’s shown numerous times not only to his friends, but his family as well that he has that kind of evil streak to him.”
His stepfather told the show he thought Chadwell was capable of being the killer of Abby and Libby. “Is he capable? Probably. And you know, should they let him back out on the street? Not ever. Throw away the key this time,” James’ stepfather said to Inside Edition.
In one post on Facebook, Chadwell wrote, “I’m in love with a lil redhead. You make my soul smile.. I’ll chase you til I can’t walk, then I’ll chase you in my wheelchair.”
He also shared numerous posts and photos showing he had an affinity for the woods and outdoors, as well as a picture of a railroad bridge.
In a June 2020 post he wrote, “Sleeping under a bridge for a while til work starts. Only ten days. Cool, dry, no neighbors, and the bridge is only six minutes from work. Be thankful for the little things.”
Below are images released by police in relation to the 2017 murders.
FacebookThe suspect in the 2017 murders of Libby German and Abby Williams shown in a video from Libby’s phone and a police sketch.
Over the years, others have been considered suspects in the girl’s deaths. You can listen to the chilling audio in the Delphi murder case here.
FacebookAbby Williams and Libby German.
Here’s a photo of the bridge near where the girls were abducted and murdered.
Jim Piwowarczyk to HeavyThe bridge near where Abby and Libby died.
Named as a possible suspect in the past was an Indiana man, Paul Etter, 55, who was killed in a standoff with police after being accused of abducting and sexually assaulting a 26-year-old woman who pulled into his driveway with a flat tire. However, nothing ever came of it. No one has ever been arrested or charged or publicly accused in the murders.
“Imagine, if every time someone sent me a picture or a name of a person I got my hopes up thinking that could be him. I’d still be sitting here heartbroken but with no hope left and even more devastated,” Libby’s sister, Kelsi German, wrote on Twitter. “Please no more side by sides. No more names. Turn them in. Let law enforcement do THEIR job!!!”
On April 28, she wrote, “‘There’s a resemblance.’ Okay. There was a resemblance with DN, CE, PE, TB, and several others – you can see these people in a simple google search of the girls. They all did bad things but they weren’t our bad guy.”
“Someone looks like somebody, that obviously does not mean that is the person,” the sheriff cautioned to ABC News.
3. Chadwell, a Welder, Filled His Facebook Page With Angry Rants About Life, Saying That He ‘Wrecked’ Everything & Cries a Lot
In one of his voluminous posts on Facebook, Chadwell wrote, “Sometimes I’m up, sometimes I’m down. Everything was going so well but I had to wreck it, because I don’t understand easy. I wrecked it now I’m here again at the beginning. I cry a lot because I know there are people dealing with worse. I’ll survive, but a lot won’t. We need to come together and help everyone. Especially the ones that are struggling. It’s up to us to make a difference. It’s not about skin color or religion. It’s about loving one another. We are all in this together. Let’s make this monumental. I support this movement. Back me and smile.”
He wrote that he was a “Welder-Fabricator at Wabash National” who lived in Lafayette, Indiana, but was from La Follette, Tennessee. He described himself as single. He showed an obsession with pitbulls.
“Stormed Area51 last night. The aliens are real…” he wrote in one post.
“Tuesday night bonfire. F*** society. I do what I want…” he wrote in another post.
“Stuck in Gary IN for a week of work. Dirtiest city ever. Sometimes beauty can be found in the most unexpected of places tho..”
“I love all of life’s creatures. Big, small, hairy, or just plain creepy. If they don’t threaten my life, I won’t threaten theirs.. That’s good parenting skillz.”
“OMG!!! Took me forever to see the faces in this…. See if you can find the angel and the demon… Wow.”
“I’ve had this school boy crush on this girl since the car wash and train trussle. I’m not what she deserves but I’m trying to be something. Even if she never talks to me again, at least I’ll know I was a part. Baby. Please don’t make me keep searching for you, when I know exactly where you are. You will always be my dream girl. Can we just skip all the formalities?”
“I just want a woman that’s willing to put in the same effort I do. I know that’s probably too much to ask in this day and age, but a boy can still dream. If I can’t have true love, I have Pornhub…”
FacebookA stock photo on Chadwell’s Facebook page.
“So many women talk a good game but actually have no game. They talk about forever and happily ever after, but don’t wanna do s*** to keep it. Getting it is the baby steps. Keeping it is being called a committed adult who is truly in love… You all need to get your s*** right and quit blaming good guys for where you’re falling short… We don’t need you….”
“So, my life is going really well, but I wanna wreck it. I dont know whats wrong with me. I just know what is. This life just seems so lack luster. I don’t need more. I wanna be more.”
“So this is probably not gonna be politically correct, and will probably sound worse than I want it too. But I just wanna say thank you to my darker skinned friends. Whatever your background. Thank you for helping me grow. I love the flavor that all of you bring to my vanilla world. Thank you.”
“I dont have a social circle because I don’t like people. I’m trying.”
“I’m dying inside because I feel like I have nothing. But I have everything. I will make it. I don’t need your approval. Crazy weekend. Came home after work on Friday to find someone had broken in and was sleeping in my extra bedroom. Took me about 15 minutes to wake him up. He woke up trying to tell me this was his house. I Hurt him pretty bad, drug him to the sidewalk and called local law. They arrested me for assault. Went to jail, told them what happened. They dropped charges against me and charged him. Still cost me $400 to get out… then today, I was walking in to work and slipped and fell on the ice. Broken right wrist, six stitches in my head, and back issues. So now I’m stuck on light duty for a while and spent all day at the hospital. Im still smiling. Without the bad we wouldn’t appreciate the good. Blessings come in many shades. Be thankful for what you have.”
“Trump… You still have my vote.”
“No valentines = no drama.”
“Turned myself in to a 90 treatment facility. I’m gonna beat this.”
“I was locked up for 13 1/2 years because I assaulted a prison guard and a cop. Never imagined it would be so difficult coming back out here. I’m a good guy, just made some mistakes. The world holds it against me… Now I’m doing better, and still get judged… Cops need assholes like me to keep them in line. We still have rights….”
4. Chadwell Has a Lengthy, Assaultive Criminal History in Indiana & South Dakota
FacebookJames Brian Chadwell.
The probable cause affidavit says that Chadwell has an extensive criminal history. He was convicted of criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon, a felony, in Miami County.
He was convicted in 2000 in Pennington County, South Dakota of assault-aggravated, a felony, and was convicted of stolen property. He was convicted in U.S. District Court, South Dakota of being a felon in possession of a firearm, a felony, in 2001. He was convicted in Minnehaha County, South Dakota, of assault-aggravated, a felony, in 2003.
He was convicted in Cass County, Indiana for receiving stolen property, a felony, on June 9, 2016. He was convicted of OWI with a prior, a felony and resisting law enforcement, a misdemeanor, in February 2020 in Miami County. In October 2020, he was convicted of criminal trespass and criminal mischief and was still on probation. He was convicted of criminal trespass and was wanted on warrants.
Court records show that when he was convicted of criminal trespassing in 2020, a charge of public intoxication was dismissed. He received a 90-day jail sentence.
Court records also show he used to live in Peru, Indiana. His father filed a notice of claim to evict him from that address in 2020.
In 2020, when he was convicted of resisting law enforcement, he received a 124 day jail term. A theft charge was dismissed. His probation was revoked. In 2020, he was also convicted of drunk driving with a prior conviction and resisting law enforcement. A charge of operating a vehicle while intoxicated – endangering a person was dismissed. He received 365 days in jail. That was a felony case.
He had an ongoing court case in 2017 for receiving stolen property and probation violation, but no hearings in February 2017. However, there were hearings in that case in the months after that time frame. At that time, his address was given as Kokomo, Indiana. That’s about 34 miles from Delphi. He was sentenced in June 2016. In August 2016, he allegedly violated probation. In November 2016, he was taken to jail and held without bond, but a few days later, the state and probation officer agreed “to an OR release of the defendant from the CCJ.” A hearing was scheduled for April 2017 in the case.
The Delphi murders occurred in February 2017.
He was found guilty of battery resulting in bodily injury in 2000 and criminal recklessness resulting in serious injury. Charges of illegal consumption of alcohol and battery resulting in serious bodily injury were dismissed. He was accused of violating probation.
5. On TikTok, Chadwell Talked About People ‘Preying on the Little People’
In a chilling TikTok video recorded on April 18, Chadwell said, “So to all you little kids out there…my nose doesn’t look like this because I cut myself shaving. If you want some, come get some. Quit preying on the little people. There’s more than enough to go around. Come find me or I will find you.” He had an injury to his nose in the video.
His TikTok page has now been deleted. Here’s a compilation of all Chadwell’s saved TikTok videos.
In another TikTok video on April 16, he said, “So this national rape thing. It’s a bunch of young a** kids starting some bullsh*t. There’s not really doing that. Nobody does that. If they do, we f***ing kill them. That’s all. They know. Don’t be a lamb. Be a lion. If you fall into that trap, that’s your fault because you’re a f***ing dumb a**. Get over it.”
On April 18, Chadwell recorded a TikTok video in which he said, “All you chicks on Tiktok trying to sling your booty or sling your taco, whatever you’re trying to do, you need to wrap that s*** up. It ain’t working…we got porn hub for that s***. We don’t need your little extras, so take that s*** somewhere else. We’re looking for a real woman. Over age of 30. And confident. And you know who you are.”
That was the day before the girl was reported missing in Lafayette. Chadwell uses the TikTok handle “Outlaw313.”
Here’s the audio clip police released of the suspect’s voice in the Abby and Libby case.
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